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Has anyone had this with abilify?

by hhhMental » Mon Mar 07, 2011 6:05 pm

I took 5 mg of abilify yesterday. As I am having problems with my current meds (seroquel XR). After a couple of hours I started to stiffen up. After about 4 hours I could barely move. I took Some procyclidine and did the same later on but noticed no improvement. Now 24 hours later I'm still rigid and waiting for it to wear off. I was on it for 6 months but now it makes me feel worse than ever? Is this normal for such a low dose? Because my psychiatrist didn't even seem to know why I was getting this kind of stiffness that bad.

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Re: Has anyone had this with abilify?

by charlie0330 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:14 pm

Are you still having the stiffness? Muscle stiffness is listed as a side effect of abilify.

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Re: Has anyone had this with abilify?

by dmtaylorillwill » Sat Apr 28, 2012 6:45 pm

I had stiffness at first then it ceased, and was taking seroquel with it but I only took seroquel when needed.

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Re: Has anyone had this with abilify?

by Victimofdoc » Sat Jul 13, 2013 9:06 pm

I have been forced to take everything against my will and I can tell you. These drugs are really dangerous! I can’t read or write and speak or walk. Beearly I mean. Really dangerous. I would pray to GOD instead of taking these horrable things that forces your brain to another dimention. and not a good one, but a lufus one..

Effects:

No feelings
No emotions
Lufus brain!
IQ halved
Barely walk
Barely speak
Barely write
Barely get food
raving after food everyday
life is all about food and getting food like an insect..
No job
Welfare with no chance to get a job

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Re: Has anyone had this with abilify?

by highdimensionman » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:15 pm

I just started on Ability injection it will be high noon soon and it will be biochemically murdered currently were even in the receptive competition its stale mate.

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Abilify and weird symptoms... are they related??

by kavajava » Sat Nov 02, 2013 8:31 pm

I recently started Abilify for mood stabilization, not antipsychotic, purposes. I am on the tiniest dose because I am sensitive to medicines in general.

These are things that I have noticed popping up since starting: dizziness, especially when standing quickly, temporary numbness in right hand and/or wrist, the need to keep slightly squinting with my right eye because it relieves a weird indescribable dizzyish feeling in the right temple area, insomnia, and even though it has had a positive impact on my depressive mood swings, my dissociative mood swings and panic attacks have actually increased. 

Do these sound like they are the fault of Abilify? What should I do?

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Re: Abilify and weird symptoms... are they related??

by Cheze2 » Sun Nov 03, 2013 2:07 am

Those sounds like some very unsettling side effects. I think it would be good to discuss these things with your doctor to come up with the best plan of action.

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Re: Abilify and weird symptoms... are they related??

by Lexicon_Devil » Fri Nov 08, 2013 6:39 pm

For some, anxiety actually increases dramatically on Abilify at low doses, but goes away around 10mg. It might be worth trying to increase it to see if the activation dies down. 

The dizziness when standing up too quickly is I think called orthostatic hypotension, and I had that, too. Plus bad  nausea... I also got insomnia, even though I took it in the morning as recommended. These may have gone away after the adjustment period, but I never found out; I had to discontinue after four days due to intense shaking, twitching, tremor, and hypomania. 

Talk with your doctor about trying a higher dose if you think it'd be worthwhile. But if you start noticing facial twitches at all, you'll probably want to discontinue asap, to avert the risk of TD. Just something to watch for.

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I think abilify keeps me awake and wellbutrin makes me sleep

by Djspaz88 » Fri Oct 19, 2012 2:02 am

Hey all... I've been trying to reach my pdoc, but we've been playing phone tag. I recently have been diagnosed as bipolar II, adhd, and general anxiety. I was put on 10mg abilify a few weeks ago and I think it's been helping but I think it may be keeping me up at night. I switched to night because I thought it was making me tired, but now I'm not so sure. A few days, ago I stopped celexa and dexedrine and started on 150mg of wellbutrin XL during the day. Let me say, I feel like complete crap. All I want to do is sleep, I can't eat, and I feel like my brain is in a fog. I'm also taking 100mg of topamax at night which was prescribed by a previous doctor. My doc wants me off of it eventually and go up on the abilify. I sleep like 11 hours a night, I feel like it's impossible to wake up, yet I don't feel like I'm getting the best sleep. I can't say I'm really depressed, but I'm starting to get that way due to not being able to function normally. Last night I did a test and took half of my topamax with the abilify and it was easier to wake up in the morning... I didn't feel as foggy. I wonder if the topamax is affecting these other meds. I also take klonopin as needed, but I can barely take it because I'm already too groggy. Today I didn't take the wellbutrin when I got up, but took it around 6pm. About 9:00 my brain started to get fuzzy and tired. This is so weird... I took wellbutrin sr before and it made me motivated...now I just feel like crap. I almost feel better when the stuff wears off. Idk what to do. Anyone have experience with these meds?

 

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Stopping Abilify - What to expect?

by calixto » Thu Mar 12, 2015 10:22 pm

Hi All,

I am currently in my late 30's and I have been on different medications since 12 or 13 years ago to treat me for depression and anxiety. The one I was prescribed longer was Abilify, which I stopped 3 days ago under the directions of my psychiatrist due to a general improvement of my condition. 

I'm really happy to finally be able to stop using the medication, but I'd like to know exactly what to expect in the upcoming weeks after years of taking this medication. I was taking 5mg until 4 days ago and the last time I talked to my psychiatrist 3 days ago, she told me I could stop it completely. However, I'm a bit worried about the possibility of having withdrawal symptoms. According to different texts I've read on internet, it takes 16 days for the medication to completely leave the body. So does it mean that if I have any withdrawal symptoms they will kick in after this time? By the way, in the 4 days I've been without the medication, I've felt pretty normal to be honest, maybe a bit more awake and aware, but that's it.

Another related question. During the time I have been on medications I've felt that the world is behind a haze, so I would like to know how long can it take for my brain to adjust and function normally after stopping the medication? In other words how long will it take for me to be me again as I am without medications (but without the depression and anxiety the medications were prescribed for)?

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Re: Stopping Abilify - What to expect?

by take_too2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:25 am

If you have been taking any psychiatric drug for more than a few days, and stop taking it suddenly, there is a risk of experiencing withdrawal symptoms. Sometimes, these symptoms can last a long time. 

For more information about how to safely taper off Abilify:

http://survivingantidepressants.org/ind ... piprazole/

 

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Re: Stopping Abilify - What to expect?

by calixto » Wed Mar 18, 2015 4:39 pm

Hi take_too2, thanks for your reply.

It's been 9 days already and luckily I haven't had a strong withdrawal. No physical symptoms, no panic attacks, been sleeping fine, etc. If anything, I've been a bit more anxious at times and I've had some racing thoughts occasionally, but to be honest it's been very moderate and controllable. And I guess it's completely normal given the fact that I've been taking this med for years and now I'm not taking any psychiatric drug at all.

I actually feel happy to finally kick this thing out of my body once and for all, since I never liked taking it in the first place, and it made me feel like a part of me wasn't there.

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Re: Stopping Abilify - What to expect?

by take_too2 » Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:40 pm

That's really good news, I'm happy to hear you have been feeling well, congratulations.

Sometimes, withdrawal symptoms can start a few weeks, and sometimes even a few months later. This happens rarely, but if it does happen, it doesn't mean you need to be on the medication for life, it just means you may have come off it too fast.

This happened to me, I came off a drug I had been on for 13 years and was doing ok for about 2 months, then some strange symptoms started to occur.

I hope you continue to feel well.

 

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Re: Stopping Abilify - What to expect?

by calixto » Thu Mar 19, 2015 3:35 pm

Thanks for your wishes and for sharing your experience!

I hope I don't get any "delayed" withdrawal symptoms, but it's good to to be aware of this possibility, just in case it happens.

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Back to Abilify without the doctor's permission?

by Stefalicious » Wed May 06, 2015 12:02 am

(I am really bad at writing stories because my head is so active all the time. Me being Dutch doesn't really make it any better, so please bear with me)

Some background info: Male, 17 year old, Dutch, recently diagnosed with ADHD and possibly a personality disorder, feeling lonely, tired, sick, depressed, sitting in my bedroom all day long. I am posting this on an English forum because Dutch forums are very inactive and I won't even bother waiting 2 days for a reply.

3 years ago my psychiatrist told me to try out Abilify. At first he recommended Risperidon but I didn't want to take the risk because a main side effect was weight gain and I was already overweight at that point (it's even worse now). I started off with 5 mg (just split it in half) and if left me with no side effects, except for the fact that I fell asleep at random times because I was so tired that I just couldn't keep my eyes open. After this side effect faded away, my parents and other relatives started seeing big improvements, like I was another person. 

I don't know what caused me to stop using Abilify at a certain point, but now that I'm 17 years old, and we're 3 years later, I really feel the need to start using it again. Things are going not so well with my girlfriend. Throughout our entire relationship I have been morbidly jealous and suspicious, to the point where I wouldn't even let her wear skinny jeans when she went to school because I didn't want other boys to look at her butt. On top of that, my home situation isn't going too well either. Me and my parents are literally in a love-hate relationship in which we can all be happy one day, and fight like monsters the next day.

2 days ago I started taking Abilify again. I started with 10 mg immediately because I totally forgot that I should start out with a lower dose. This made me sick, I almost fainted (literally fell to the floor with my head banging and my heart pounding) and I was sleeping throughout the entire day. Now I feel okay again, and yesterday I didn't take any Abilify because I was scared. Now that I realise that I should start out with a lower dose, I am willing to try again. Instead of taking it in the morning, I took it an hour ago because I'm going to sleep after I post this thread. I tried to cut off about 1/4 with a knife (that would be about 2,5mg). And this leads to the first question. People are recommending me to take Abilify in the evening because the main side effect is feeling sleepy. But the effect of Abilify only lasts for 12 hours. This would mean that if I would take it at 10 PM, the effect would have disappeared already the next morning. That would mean the Abilify won't work throughout the next day, right? Please explain if I'm wrong. Also, I never contacted the doctor to ask if it was okay to start taking it again. Is this wrong? Should I contact him anyway to ask if it would be a good idea? Please let me know guys, thanks!

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Re: Back to Abilify without the doctor's permission?

by Sarastotle » Thu May 07, 2015 12:48 pm

You should definitely let your doctors know of any medications your taking, so you can prevent the passing out and heart beating and nausea. I take my antipsychotic (similar to Abilify but I'm on Clozapine) at night and after a week or two of taking it levels will even out and be consistent throughout the day so it should work even if you take it at night. But yeah, definitely talk to your doctor before taking anymore.

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Re: Can 2.5 mg of abilify really make THAT much of a difference?

by MissDiagnosed » Thu Dec 12, 2013 9:16 pm

Long story short: Diagnosed with BP Nos (most likely II because I only get hypomanic and lean more on the depressed side) as well as GAD and ADD. The GAD is what really controls my life. I'm a dancer, I have to travel far for work, and it is a lot of pressure and stress to work in an environment where you can drink along with having to be social and sell dances (no it's not about looking hot and shaking your ass: i wish). Anyway, a few weeks ago I stopped taking my 2.5 mg of abilify because honestly I didn't want to pay 35 dollars and it's such a tiny amount, meh I won't miss it. I also take 300 mg wellbutrin, 100 mg zoloft, 100 mg topomax, 10 mg dextroamphetamine (ADD), and 1 mg Klonopin as needed. Let's just say that I noticed my anxiety start to increase, and little things have started to bother me more. I also have been blowing up on people for no reason. I figured it was just me going through withdrawal, but starting this week I've gotten EXTREMELY depressed and anxious. I've had to call off work, and am afraid to go in because last week I drank WAY too much to deal with my social anxiety. My question is, is this dose really doing anything for me? It seems like I obviously need it, like it is the glue holding my other meds together, but it's weird because it is such a small amount. I know everyone is different with different needs. I've found this combo to work well for me. I'm an idiot for messing with it due to money. Now I'm losing out on MORE money because I can't work. UGHHHHH. Anyway, any input is greatly appreciated 

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Re: Can 2.5 mg of abilify really make THAT much of a differe

by Lexicon_Devil » Fri Dec 13, 2013 12:47 am

Yes, it can. I was only on 2mg, and I had to discontinue after 4 days due to immediate, bad hypomania, twitching (yes, including in my face), shaking, muscle stiffness, total inability to concentrate, and so on. These effects lingered for more than a week after d/c, especially the hypomania... It can do quite a lot for some people at very low dosages. Often, it's prescribed at the higher dosages to control psychosis/mania, and used more like an antidepressant at lower dosages. That's not true for everyone, but the point is that yes, absolutely, even a dosage that low can have a HUGE impact on your life.

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Re: Can 2.5 mg of abilify really make THAT much of a difference?

by lejustemilieu » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:12 am

2.5mg can definitely make a difference! I was only taking 2mg and that was keeping me stable.

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Re: Can 2.5 mg of abilify really make THAT much of a difference?

by Caribee4me » Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:23 pm

I was taking 4mg previously, and it was a good med. I liked the effect it had on me. It was definitely activating. So I imagine it's good at 2.5mg, too.

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Clozapine and weight loss???

by pemigewasset » Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:24 pm

I started taking clozapine about 5 or 6 months ago and my doctor told me to expect severe weight gain and an increase in appetite. However, the opposite has happened. I lost about 20 pounds since November and I can barely bring myself to eat anything. Yesterday all I had was a slice of bread with cheese. Today I had half a hashbrown. It's not that I'm intentionally not eating. I was on a higher dose and puking whenever I would half a have bite of toast but it got lowered and now I'm just not hungry but I know I need to eat. My doctor said this was very abnormal and is skeptical but regardless lowered my dose anyways. Now it's not working and I still can't eat. I'm a malnurioused cat.
Is this even possible?

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Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Thu Dec 10, 2009 3:09 am

My psychiatrist wants me on clozapine. Says that my schizophrenic illness is getting worse. That I'm getting more delusional. I don't want to have to go on another med. Is this med any good? Are there any side effects that are bad. I used to be on Ziprasidone and that gave me urinary retention.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:19 pm

Considering that medication behaves differently in people, it'd be wrong of us to offer any advice and claim that it is in any way accurate. However, you must tell your doctor exactly what you've just told us here. Otherwise, how is he/she to know which medication gives you adverse side-effects? our relationships with our doctors should be very open (regarding communication).

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:40 am

Wow you have a lot of posts. I've never seen anyone with such a high post count on any forum. Nice.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Sat Dec 12, 2009 12:42 am

My pdoc wants me on clozapine because I have tried every other atypical antipsychotic and they haven't worked. So I'm just wondering what side effects there are to this med?

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Sat Dec 12, 2009 9:35 pm

Hi Ben,
I do indeed have a lot of posts, but me being here is (and was) never about how many posts I could get. I am merely here to help people now. When I first arrived, I got the help I needed and then I decided that I wanted to start helping others. Anyway, for all drug issues, I refer people to the most reputable source in my mind: The Mayo Clinic. I think they are a big medical institution over in the USA, and here is their article on Clozapine: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-i ... n/DR601477

Click on the 'Before using' link at the bottom of that page to be taken to the next. The final page is the side-effects page (but here is its direct link: http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/drug-i ... de-effects)

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Tue Dec 15, 2009 12:29 am

Thanks for the info Chucky.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Wed Dec 16, 2009 9:59 pm

You're welcome Ben. Good luck. You can PM me anytime if you want help with anything else.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Fri Dec 18, 2009 4:42 am

You can pm me too if you want for any reason.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Fri Dec 18, 2009 10:04 pm

 I didn't expect that response! I'm usually too busy to lay my own problems out to people, but i appreciate the gesture dude.
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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:28 pm

Now my pdoc wants me to go into the hospital in order to try clozapine. I really don't want to have to do this. In fact I'm terrified about the weight gain and the continuous blood work. I think I'm just going to ask if there are any alternatives.

Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Thu Dec 31, 2009 8:49 pm

Im no professional, remember, but you should be thinking about the benefits that medication can bring, rather than the potential side-effects.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Tue Feb 02, 2010 11:47 pm

I'm not currently on it but I'm starting to think that its a good idea.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:37 pm

If there is any ounce of willingess in you to go on it, then just bite the bullet and go on it. What can you lose?

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Thu Feb 04, 2010 2:13 am

I asked my pdoc about clozapine today but he just said I'm going to put you on wellbutrin and help your depression first. He also said that it would require a hospital admission to go on clozapine. He also told me about the horrible side effects to it. If only there weren't other antipsychotics out there in Canada that I could try. He says that he really wants to put me on an antipsychotic but nothing has worked so far.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Chucky » Thu Feb 04, 2010 8:21 pm

Well, again i must ask you what have you to lose? Just accept that this is happening to you, and that maybe the route that your doctor suggests is best. I know it's tough to 'bite the bullet' and accept that you need help, but please try. I spent more than a year thinking i could handle it myself, and I failed miserably.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by electric blue » Fri Feb 05, 2010 9:51 pm

I'm still considering Clozapine but right now my pdoc isn't fond of the idea.

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Re: Pdoc wants me on clozapine

by Agent Zero » Sun Mar 14, 2010 1:41 am

My dr. has told me to consider this drug as well. He told me that it works better than many of the older and newer drugs. From what I understand the most common side effects are constipation and tiredness. And also, I believe there is a test that they can do to see what level of risk you would have to the low white cell count side effect.

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Quetiapine and early starts

by HawHawHaw » Sun Mar 22, 2015 11:32 pm

Hi there, so I was recently prescribed Quetiapine and whilst I am only on 50mg I find it impossible to get up before 11am the next morning- this isn't just laziness as I am a morning person and usually downstairs before seven.

Well anyway atm I am in the middle of two weeks' annual leave and have another week to adjust but my issue is that in my job involves regularly getting up at 3:30am. If I oversleep it would take too long for someone to realise- there is only one other person there in the mornings- and any cover would take just as long to get there and the kitchen would be open hours late.

Sorry for going on a bit but does anyone take Quetiapine/something similar and have any tips for someone that has to get up early?


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Re: Quetiapine and early starts

by take_too2 » Mon Mar 23, 2015 1:37 am

Perhaps 50mg is too much for you, maybe a lower dose would suit you better. Does your doctor know you're having this unacceptable side effect?

Often, lower doses of medications provide the same benefits, with fewer side effects.

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Re: Quetiapine and early starts

by rainbow_sprinkles » Mon Mar 23, 2015 4:14 am

I personally find I need to take my Seroquel a good 12 hours before I need to be up. that could be difficult at a 50mg dose though, since smaller doses are more sedating than larger doses, I remember being asleep within a couple hours of taking such a small dose. now that I'm on a larger dose, I can take it several hours before needing to be asleep and stay up until bedtime no problem. what time are you taking it at? try taking it an hour or 2 earlier, and keep going back an hour earlier, until you're able to get up at the time you need to. it takes a while for the body to adjust to the sedating effects of this drug.


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by HawHawHaw » Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:31 pm

Thank you for your replies. I usually take it about ten, but I'll just try it earlier. The doctor was saying about increasing the dose in a few weeks so if the sedation is mainly with lower doses that should negate the issue.

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Re: Quetiapine and early starts

by rainbow_sprinkles » Tue Mar 24, 2015 6:48 pm

yeah you'll definitely find a higher dose less sedating. good luck with it 

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Quetiapine (Seroquel) for BPD - your doses?

by hashtag » Wed Feb 04, 2015 1:57 pm

Hello guys,

I'm back on behalf of my partner who, after a very difficult year, had her BPD flare back up.

She was recently prescribed Quetiapine, or Seroquel by the Dr after a break from an unsuccessful cocktail of anti psychotics, benzos and antidepressants. 

(Scroll down to the bolded text if you want to skip the context and get to my questions!)

At 50mg she was sedated. At 100mg less so, and her mood did seem to improve greatly. At 200mg she was better still - she's hyper vigilant normally when unmedicated, but on 100-200mg her anxiety was SEVERELY reduced, she no longer jumped when there would be a knock on the door, her mood was significantly more stable and the BPD-induced rage episodes seemed to disappear. 

At 300mg - her target dose - this changed. Her mood became very unstable again - she'd have daily fits of uncontrollable crying, BPD rage returned, her mood was very erratic and the side effects were awful. She'd feel suicidal, she'd suffer extreme and prolonged heart palpitations after taking it, horrible restless leg syndrome, bad anxiety - yesterday she even had a really bad episode of self harm, though thankfully she didn't use anything sharp, but still managed to do a shocking amount of damage.

My attitude from the start was "Well, if the lower dose works better, why change it". She saw the Dr this morning - who told her something along the lines of "Well, if the lower dose works better than sure, go lower, but it shouldn't have anti-psychotic properties or interact with dopamine at these doses. Experiment."

Oh I love when they tell you to experiment. 

So I've been doing a ton of reading and even found a study from last year that indicated that for patients with BPD, 150mg seemed to be more effective than 300mg, with less side effects. This wasn't a large difference on paper - maybe ~10% efficiency - but looking at my partner's reaction to the medication, it was huge. 

So I have the following questions for those of you with BPD and who have been on this medication:

Have you been on quetiapine, or the branded Seroquel version, or Seroquel XR? Could you tell me what doses you've been on, and what was your experience between the doses? What's the longest you've been on this medication? How did you take your dose? (i.e., once before bed, or split up between day/night?) Any other comments?

My partner tapered last night from 300mg to 250mg, and she already seems much better in terms of mood and its stability, but we want to find the optimal dose and the best way of taking it. I'm having her keep a detailed journal of her mood and side effects to help with this.

Any information would be very helpful. 

Disclaimer: I know no one here is a medical professional, and that we should be going to the Dr. We are - however, my partner has 12 years of experience with intense psychiatric care and many medications under her belt. At the end of the day, Doctors are often just going by the book (and many times we've seen them whip out said book during a consultation) and we know mental health is a severely under-researched area of medicine with no guarantees and new information coming into light every few years. We're gonna listen to the Drs, but we're also going to use our heads.

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Re: Quetiapine (Seroquel) for BPD - your doses?

by rainbow_sprinkles » Thu Feb 05, 2015 12:19 am

I have bpd and I take Seroquel xr.
my old psychiatrist started me on 150mg (started at 50 but quickly went up to 100 then 150). it definitely helped me sleep right off the bat, and I felt a bit better overall. I've upped my dose a couple times over the year or so I've been taking it, whenever I felt like I was getting really depressed again or it wasn't helping with my paranoia as much as it did at first. I'm currently on 250mg, have been for a while, and I seem to be quite stable at that dosage. I've never been on more than 250 so I can't comment on anything beyond that amount. I take it in the evening. at first I took it right before bed, because lower doses are more sedating than higher doses. it's a weird drug in that respect. now I take it at about 7pm with hopes of being asleep around midnight. it seems to work pretty well. any earlier than that and I pass out early. 

I personally haven't had any negative side effects with this drug. it helps me fall asleep and stay asleep, makes me less paranoid and more eager to socialize, I have far less nightmares - or dreams of any sort, for that matter - which is a big thing for me because before being on Seroquel I had intense, vivid, movie-like gory nightmares several times a week my whole life. my mood in general is better, I don't snap at people nearly as much (the few times I've forgotten to take a dose, this seems to be the first thing to go - my boyfriend tells me he always knows when I've forgotten to take it because he feels he "can't say anything right" for a few days after the missed dose), and I just generally function better.

I hope that helps in some way.

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Quetiapine/Seroquel - Can't wake up

by showmethewonder » Tue Dec 10, 2013 3:19 pm

Hey there folks, I'm new here and would be interested to hear some of your advice/personal experience with the zombie effects of Quetiapine. I've searched a lot elsewhere online but can't find much up-to-date or relevant information. The main advice seems to be 'hang in there and your body will adjust'. I've taking Quetiapine for about 18 months now, on the 300mg dose (along with Mirtazapine and Lamotrigine, though these don't contribute to the sleepiness for me) and I still have immense trouble getting up in the morning.

It's impacting quite heavily on my life, there are days when I can only drag myself out of bed after 3 hours of hitting snooze to give myself a gradual wake-up. As someone who is usually (pre-meds) up at 6 or 7 a.m., an 11 or 12 o'clock start is majorly cutting into my day. This only adds to the panic/agitation that already seems to come with the Quetiapine 'hangover'. Even once I'm up I'm groggy, quick to anger and my speech is slurred for at least half an hour. 

In contrast, whenever I do not  take my dose (like when it's especially important for me to be up early), with the Quetiapine it is impossible. I wake up easily, with no desire to sleep in, no problem waking up my mind and generally in a positive mood. Of course if I do this on more than one or two occasions in a row my body goes into 'detox' and I feel like I'm cracking up, so this is obviously not a solution. Whether or not this 'jumping out of bed' is 'sans Seroquel' or the onset of mild mania, I don't know - can the manic creep up so easily after missing just one dose? 

I've read that some people found a higher dose helped alleviate the 'zombie effect' - does anyone have experience with this? I am 5"1 and slightly underweight, so I don't know if my size plays a part, perhaps my body is too small to cope with the high level of toxicity. I've tried halving the tablets but the effect is exactly the same. I have no other side-effects, not even weight or appetite changes so I am reluctant to stop taking them as I've struggled with other meds. 

My boyfriend has to literally prop me up in bed and turn on all the lights in order to get me up and it's causing a strain on our relationship. In my zombie state I often tell him I am fine to sleep in and I can get myself up etc. but I never remember saying this or often even him trying to wake me. I wake up 3 or 4 hours later in a foul mood, extreme panic and frustration which often takes me hours to recover from. Without him to help me I would likely be sleeping past noon, but I have more 6 o'clock starts coming soon.

The first time I took Quetiapine I foolishly took it in the day and woke up 11 hours later asleep on the sofa. I haven't tried taking it at a time when I can't sleep for a while, but is anyone able to fight through the sedative effects with this med? I'm scared I will just pass out when I try it. 

Please, any experience or advice would be appreciated on dealing with this effects of Quetiapine/Seroquel. As I said I've been taking it for over 18 months and it has not lessened. I am more stable than ever since starting it so reluctant to stop. Pharmacists have been no use and both GP and pdoc essentially tell me it's inevitable the bad comes with the good. I need a way to overcome the sleepiness it will continue to effect my working life and career opportunities. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you - sorry for the length.

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Re: Quetiapine/Seroquel - Can't wake up

by Cheze2 » Wed Dec 11, 2013 2:58 am

Sorry to hear that you're having so much difficulties with side effects. Have you spoken to your doctor about this? I currently take seroquel, but I am one of the lucky ones who does not get the sleepiness side effect. 

You may want to post this in the bipolar forum as well as I know a lot of people there have experience with taking seroquel. The general consensus there is that it does have a less sedating effect at higher doses, though this is not always the case since everyone's body reacts differently to medications. 

Have you also checked out http://www.crazymeds.us/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HomePage? A lot of people find that site helpful for information about medications. It is also written in the perspective of those who have taken it which I find more helpful.

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Re: Quetiapine/Seroquel - Can't wake up

by showmethewonder » Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:48 pm

Thanks Cheze - that's a pretty good site that I'm not familiar with, have bookmarked and also had a read through the Seroquel section (though it's categorised as a mood stabiliser rather than an AP). Unfortunately there it is again: "The sedation can be overcome with persistence and regular dosing." Am I doing something wrong here!? It has perhaps got slightly easier but is still debilitating for me.

I think I will take your advice and repost in the Bipolar section if that's OK - I was worried that cross-posting would be frowned upon. Thank you for your advice and for taking the time to read. I have mentioned this to my pdoc, pharmacist and GP and all have been useless. Another surprising thing is that the website recommends taking with food can help with absorption - contrary to the leaflet instructions which state taking it 2 hours before food or 1 hours after! Pharmacist also recommends leaving an hour either side of taking it. How do we know who to believe? Eating 2 hours after the dose must be impossible as surely I'll be conked out by then!

As I've recently moved I'll be meeting with a new Dr once registered and this will be my first query to them. Thanks again.

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Re: Quetiapine/Seroquel - Can't wake up

by Cheze2 » Thu Dec 12, 2013 4:03 am

I would remember with that site, along with any website to not fully trust the information, or to know that there may be differing opinions. Perhaps you could try to take your seroquel with food and see if that helps at all? I hope that things work out better with your new doctor. 18 months of feeling this way is definitely no good. I had a very "zombie effect" or sedating effect/flat feeling when I was on a different medication called saphris. At the 6 month mark I said "no way!" You're definitely a tough person to last 18 months!

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Latuda - Side Effects?

Postby Revlon » Tue Feb 19, 2013 2:30 pm

Good Morning Everyone,

This is my first post here, so if this topic belongs elsewhere I apologize in advance!

My doctor recently put me on Latuda for my bipolar. It has been about 3 weeks, and so far I have had this awful headache everyday. It is probably worth noting, that some days my headache is more severe than other days. Some mornings, I cannot get out of bed. Other days, it is barely tolerable. It is to the point that nearly every night, it wakes me up.

Has anyone had a similar experience on this medicine? Does anyone know if the headaches will go away with time?

Advice, experiences, or other insight is much appreciated.

Thanks.

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Re: Latuda - Side Effects?

by Cheze2 » Tue Feb 19, 2013 10:15 pm

I have not been on latuda myself, however with any change that occurs after starting a medication, especially one that makes you unable to get out of bed, you'll want to talk to your doctor. Some side effects do go away over time, but there's no sense in you suffering with these headaches hoping whether or not this day will come. Sometimes a side effect could be due to going up on the medication too quickly and it may be that you'll just need to increase the dose more gradually. Only your doctor will be able to know for sure.

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Re: Latuda - Side Effects?

by Revlon » Wed Feb 20, 2013 5:28 pm

I did call my doctor. He cut my dose in half. Hope it helps soon.

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Re: Latuda - Side Effects?

by Cheze2 » Thu Feb 21, 2013 3:12 am

I'm glad you were able to get in touch with your doctor. I hope the reduction goes well and that you're feeling better soon!

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Re: Latuda - Side Effects?

by Caribee4me » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:26 pm

Revlon...did your headaches resolve? What happened with your dose? Did you stay on Latuda?

Just to restart this topic...I'm wondering if anyone else is having side effects from Latuda? I just upped my dose to 120mg and I can't feel any difference at all. Maybe my mood is a little better? I'm not sure. But no side effects other than I'm a little more tired earlier at night.

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Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Apocryphal » Sun Jul 19, 2009 1:14 pm

Hello,
Does anyone know of an anti psychotic that does not make you put on weight or make you sleepy?

I was put on Abilify and it just does not seem to be working. I was on Olanzapine and seroquel but they both made me sleepy and put on weight. I don't really know about any of the others.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Chucky » Sun Jul 19, 2009 9:01 pm

Hi,

These questions should be directed to your doctor. Even if someone here mentions that they took a drug and it helped them a lot, it might not help you. Why? - Because drugs affect people in different ways.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Butterfly Faerie » Mon Jul 20, 2009 5:55 pm

A lot of medications have that side effect, it does usually go away with time, but if not and it's still bothering you it's best to talk to your doctor about it. However while searching It did say specifically for Olanzapine in one that it can be the cause of weight gain as a side effect.... The link is: http://www.healthyplace.com/thought-dis ... u-id-1144/

Usually when you get a new prescription for something they give you an information pamphlet about the drug.... did you not receive one?

I'm going to re-open this topic because this is the medication forum. Maybe someone whose been on Olanzapine or Seroquel may be able to answer this question.

But Chucky is right any concerns you may have is best to be talked to with your doctor or pharmacist.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Jaxz16 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:55 am

I am on seroquel. I have to take my daily dosage at night or I will fall asleep. I too talk to the dr. about weight gain with this medication. There are a couple of different a typical anti-psychotics out there, but all the ones I've been on such as zyprexa and seroquel have cause weight gain. Just talk to your doctor. I know geoden can be an option sometimes, but I don't know about weight gain. Also, it's probably different for each person. Talk to your doctor and make sure he understands your concerns about your health.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Chucky » Thu Oct 01, 2009 9:54 pm

I'd just like to add that i believe it's usually just water retention that is the main cause of the weight gain while on medication, but this should then return to normal once the medication is stopped. I sometimes have to take a potent/powerful medication for when my autoimmune disease is bad, and this can cause me to gain 7+ pounds in weight. it then just goes back to normal once the medication stops though (because it was only my body retaining 7+ pounds of water!)

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Agent Zero » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:19 pm

The two that I know of that are supposed to be weight neutral are abilify and geodon. I take geodon and I have been able to shed a few pounds since I started taking it, but not everyone who takes geodon will lose weight.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by MyLove » Tue Jun 11, 2013 3:10 am

I'm on Abilify and it actually gives me energy. It increased my appetite initially, but that has past and I have not gained any weight.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by rtab288 » Mon Jul 22, 2013 5:01 am

I decided to eat a lot less while taking the antipsychotic so I lost a lot of the weight I gained from it initially.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by showmethewonder » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:13 pm

I've been lucky enough the avoid weight gain with Seroquel but as already mentioned everyone reacts differently to different meds and different combinations of meds. I also have a healthy diet full of good fats, fresh fruit and vegetables and superfoods, which I believe help me stay slim. As someone who has suffered on and off with eating disorders weight gain was one main concern with meds. 

My advice would be research the medication and find out the reasons for weight gain - then look at what you can do to counteract this with natural supplements/food as medicine. Of course, always consult your GP psych doc before self-medication even with natural supplements. 

For example, if your meds cause you to gain weight because of water retention, you can increase your intake of: beetroot, jerusalem artichokes, apple cider vinegar (unfiltered), dandelion and green tea. Most are available in tablet form but I'd always recommend taking them in their pure form as food, or in the case of beetroot - juice it.

Secondly, exercise. Great for your mind as well as helping you keep your weight under control. 

Hope that helps and good luck to you.

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Re: Anti psychotics and weight gain.

by Caribee4me » Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:21 pm

I take Latuda and it is weight-neutral. It didn't make me gain any weight. Been taking it for just over a year.

Lithium, though technically a mood stabilizer, works well and is also weight-neutral for me.

When I added Seroquel/Quetiapine, it made me gain ten pounds. I stopped taking it a month ago and have already dropped five pounds.

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Switching out an invega shot with water?

by Sceptile1 » Sun Sep 28, 2014 6:02 pm

So Im thoroughly sick of the way that anti psychotics make me feel, and I’m sure many of you on this forum would agree with me. So I’m considering getting the invega my dad keeps in his room, emptying the syringe, and filling it with some sort of colored water substitute. I’ve researched injecting yourself with water AND food coloring (about 2 drops mind you) and they are both considered safe. I don’t want any answers about how i shouldn’t do this or it isn’t moral, i just want some advise for when i MIGHT (not 100%) do this. have you ever heard of anyone doing something like this? is it truly 100% safe? will the doctor notice? Thanks! 

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Re: Switching out an invega shot with water?

by Ada » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:12 pm

No one here can advise you on the safety aspect of it. I haven't heard of anyone doing it. But that doesn't mean it's never happened. 

Will the doctor notice? Umm yes! When the symptoms that the anti psychotics are meant to prevent / improve. Kick off again.  And once they figure out the issue. I think they're less likely to take you seriously when you talk about med problems in future.

I know you didn't ask for advice. But I honestly think the better path here. Is to level with the doctor and your dad. About how the meds are making you feel. And seeing whether you can switch to a lower dose. Or try another med with fewer problem side effects. Plan B can still be the water if you're really determined. But Plan A keeps you on the level with everyone. And is less likely to land you in trouble long term. It might take a while. But it's worth taking that responsibility for your own health. Without pissing off people you want on your side.

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olanzapine tranqualizing?

by SBBro » Sun Aug 10, 2014 6:12 pm

I have only taken it once while psychotic and it turned me zombie like.

I ended up on risperidone after failing with seroquel as it seemed to wear off before 24 hours.
Anyway I am no longer psychotic and been off APs for a while but changing from zantac to astaxanthin for heartburn, former eventually gave me depression latter has sent dopamine too high, has made me a little haywire.
So doing a 1week course of olanz but my shrink is just leaving the script with his Secretary. He has seen me a lot lately. But told him it's becoming a concern through email and he is busy.
Can I take 5mg at night while out as a party trick or is it tranqualizing like sq? I won't be driving but heard it's okay to....

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What do I do? (possible trigger) olanzapine

by NihilismOppurtunity » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:05 am

I'm taking 5mg of olanzapine and I can't tell if my suicidal thoughts and ideations have increased because of it, but I have a plan of where, when, and how I want to die come February. Do I find a doctor or go straight to the hospital? I have no health insurance and no job. I'm in the U.S., state of Washington specifically. Is this a common symptom with olanzapine to have increased thoughts of suicide?

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Re: What do I do? (possible trigger)

by Infinite_Jester » Sat Jun 02, 2012 6:51 am

Hey Nihilism Opportunity,

I'm not sure if Olanzapine can cause you to have suicidal thoughts but if you are thinking of hurting yourself then I think you should really consider getting help right away. You can call a crisis line (http://suicideprevention.wikia.com/wiki/Washington) and ask for directions on what to do, call emergency services for help or go directly to the emergency room. Whatever you choose to do please take action soon. We don't want you to get hurt or die and neither do the people who love and care about you.

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Re: What do I do? (possible trigger)

by CrackedGirl » Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:26 am

HI NO - how are you doing? If you think you are at risk of harming yourself imminently please go to the ER. Otherwise please see a Dr ASAP as it might be that your current med is not suiting you. Either way it is important that you get help quickly. Please let us know how you are

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Re: What do I do? (possible trigger)

by jilkens » Sat Jun 02, 2012 9:39 pm

Hey there,

Even though your plan is only for February, you need to get this addressed as soon as possible before it gets worse. It could be your disorder, thought process, or the meds... but you'll need to talk to a doctor about it. IJ posted a link that contains numbers to suicide hotlines and calling one near you is a good idea. The people on the other line are there to listen and help you move forward with getting better. They'll also be able to point you to some resources that are geared to your situation. 

Suicide isn't a solution, it's an end for you and the start of pain for all the people who love you. The turbulence going on in your mind right now doesn't have to be permanent. Give yourself a chance to feel better and let others help. 

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Re: What do I do? (possible trigger)

by NihilismOppurtunity » Sun Jun 03, 2012 6:49 am

I've decided to call one of the suicide hotline numbers to see if they can help me out. I'll keep you guys posted I guess. Thanks for the suggestions.

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Re: What do I do? (possible trigger)

by CrackedGirl » Sun Jun 03, 2012 7:55 am

NihilismOppurtunity wrote: I've decided to call one of the suicide hotline numbers to see if they can help me out. I'll keep you guys posted I guess. Thanks for the suggestions.

I am really glad you have decided to do that. Thank you for letting us know - you are not alone. Please keep us posted.

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Re: What do I do? (possible trigger)

by caroltsu » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:19 pm

so sorry to hear of your situation.
In the state of CA, if you go into ER and are suicidal with a solid plan how to do it, they need to admit you for 72 hrs and get you a psychiatrist eval and medicine, even if you don't have insurance, just not sure about WA laws.
I do know that some hospitals in WA don't even have a Psychiatrist avail, so , if you don't mind, I suggest researching the hospitals that do, just call to see if they have a Psych ward, if not, do they have a Psychiatrist avail for evaluations. I would keep a list of ER's to go to, so if you are feeling suicidal, post it by your phone, so if you are at a severe down point, then you have already done your research and know where to go. I used to work on a suicide hotline, and many of the referrals can be frustrating to follow through on, the main thing is finding the right person to talk with, many times, it helps just to talk things through. If one call to a suicide hotline does not help, call a different one. I was trained, if someone was suicidal with a plan, to keep them on the line, while an ambulance is called, if one can determine their location. The ambulance company will just take you to the closest hospital, if you already have the name of a hospital that has psychiatric ward, or at least a on call psychiatrist, then you know you are going to get proper care. You might want to ask billing/admissions ahead of time if they would take you if you are suicidal and don't have insurance, as they all have different policies if WA law doesn't require them to take you. I would also print out list of medications that only cost $10 or less from Walmart, Target, etc and give this list to your MD so he can choose an affordable one for you. This could save you $100 month on just one med
Also, check into free clinics. My sister is an MD who volunteers at a free clinic in Vancouver wash, not sure of the name, she said she thought she would be helping street people, but they are well dressed patients who have lost jobs, etc, not on streets yet, and she has a list of specialty MD's that she refers out to that take a certain number of patients in on a volunteer basis. Research free clinics in your area.
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How to control olanzapine food cravings

by BrokenGirl » Thu Apr 12, 2012 12:52 pm

I'm on olanzapine and it makes me eat lots of sweet things, does anyone have any advice as to how to control these cravings?

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Re: How to control olanzapine food cravings

by NihilismOppurtunity » Wed May 30, 2012 4:56 am

I experience this too!! Please someone respond lol


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Re: How to control olanzapine food cravings

by newuser » Fri Jul 06, 2012 2:31 pm

try to drink more liquid. try to exercise more to burn the calories. or decrease the dosage of the medication with your doctor.

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Re: How to control olanzapine food cravings

by newuser » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:56 pm

found at olanzapine increases glucose and can lead to diabetes. there's one scare. i am only on 5mg olanzapine, and i still get sugar craving. actually it might not be related to the med, it may just be me. but the fact that the med increases glucose should be enough. the doc recommends to get glucose test since to monitor the level.

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Re: How to control olanzapine food cravings

by indifference » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:34 pm

I had to stop taking olanzapine because the food cravings were too extreme. I put on 10 kilo in about a month. I was awful, I just couldn't stop eating.

My shrink took me off them because of this and some other side affects I couldn't handle, but he told me he had patients that put on 30+ kilos.

Apparently it is all about self control, but this wasn't something I could do since I felt starving constantly.

My current meds don’t help me loose the weight but at least I can go between meals without the feeling that I could eat a horse.

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Can you take Clozaril and Zyprexa together?

by netsavy006 » Tue Aug 23, 2011 12:43 am

Because of a seizure history, my psychiatrist would like to keep my Clozaril dose as low as possible.
I've had side effects on other antipsychotics: Seroquel, Risperdal, Saphris, Invega, Geodon, Abilify
I'm allergic to the medication Thorazine.
I'm wondering if it's possible to be able to take Clozaril and Zyprexa together to help control my symptoms of Schizoaffective Disorder - Bipolar Subtype?
(I'm currently on Clozaril, Lithium and Xanax)

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Re: Can you take Clozaril and Zyprexa together?

by MirageXD » Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:23 pm

Hello Andy,
yes, you can combine Clozaril and Zyprexa, but I wouldn't recommend it, because they are both antipsychotics of type MARTA. They mostly target the same receptors, so there might be some interactions (especially at high doses).
It is more common to combine Clozaril and Abilify, because Clozaril can make you really sleepy, and Abilify is activating. You say you had some side effects taking Abilify. If it was insomnia or nausea, those can be prevented (they often pass within two weeks).
If you still have psychotic symptoms or depression, you can also combine Clozaril with Amisulpride or Sulpiride. These two meds are dopamine blockers with less side effects than atypical antipsychotics. They are not FDA approved in the U.S. though.

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How am I supposed to enjoy life?

by Chapter » Sat Jun 30, 2012 12:51 pm

Antipsychotics block dopamine receptors, so how am I supposed to enjoy life? What's the point in being mentally stable if I can't feel anything when I read books, watch movies, or even have a cup of tea? Is there any medication that can be taken as a supplement to combat anhedonia?

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Re: How am I supposed to enjoy life?

by lisa33 » Sun Aug 25, 2013 7:18 pm

Hello, I know how you feel, having been on antipsychotics myself and having experienced these reactions. It's hard, especially sometimes when the doctors seem to downplay these effects. a couple of things make me feel better. One, I've noticed that feelings can return in time, especially if you stop the meds and try alternative therapies, and two, I try not to let feeling bad stop me from doing things, easier said than done but appreciating and focusing on the things I can still see, hear, experience, like nature,....anyway, don't know if that's much help, I hope you get to feeling better soon

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Re: How am I supposed to enjoy life?

by niva » Sun Sep 01, 2013 1:28 pm

Different meds work differently for different people. For me, Abilify and Wellbutrin = no anhedonia

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Re: How am I supposed to enjoy life?

by highdimensionman » Sun Aug 03, 2014 5:21 pm

If your talking supplements it would take a combination of them to combat anhedonia.
There is a herb that can achieve this but you will still struggle with motivation its
Silver needle white tea.

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Re: How am I supposed to enjoy life?

by lejustemilieu » Mon Sep 22, 2014 2:09 am

niva wrote: Different meds work differently for different people. For me, Abilify and Wellbutrin = no anhedonia


Ditto- that combination worked great for me too, for awhile anyway. No anhedonia at all; Wellbutrin is like a kick in the pants.

I know what you're saying though. I'm on Latuda without Wellbutrin now and, while I may be more stable, I'm so "blah." I can't tell if I'm still depressed or if it's just antipsychotic apathy/anhedonia? I have no desire to do anything.... Could you possibly be on too high of a dose?

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Prolonging QT via AntiPsychotica(?)

by Vikidul » Fri Jul 01, 2011 11:48 pm

Lies... lies... (is what they tell me)
"take your medications"..."NO-they ARE poison!"..."they will help you collect your thoughts"...
they help, they help Riztok torture my body. this is what they do. they prolong my QT interval and they make my SVT go wacky wacky... because Psychiatrists, they are trying to kill me (yes they are, trying to kill us). cardiologist says heart beating too fast, don't take so many, don't take so much...very fast heart (pound drum beat, drumming quickly like a dance in Hell, like a fest at Club Satan). Riztok tortures us!! 
any way we can get effects of AntiPsychotica without dangerous beating hearts (we have SVT)?
(nothing more gentle?)

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Re: Prolonging QT via AntiPsychotica(?)

by CrackedGirl » Sat Jul 02, 2011 5:52 am

I got prolonged QT on quetiapine and was switched to another antipsychotic. There are antipsychotics that don’t prolong QT or are less likely to but this is something you need to discuss with your Dr. When are you next seeing them. It is good you are under a cardiologist.

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Re: Prolonging QT via AntiPsychotica(?)

by Vikidul » Sat Jul 02, 2011 8:23 pm

we don't believe it is possible to find an antipsychotic that isn't trying to kill people... that is what they do, they kill people. but we need something and we know it... (but your shrink is going to kill you)... we didn't always feel this way (but you are bad and you ALWAYS WILL)...
tortured heart or tortured head (all roads lead to being dead). reality comes (reality goes)...everyone knows that we must suffer
can there really be a medicine that would make us feel better without also trying to kill us?

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Re: Prolonging QT via AntiPsychotica(?)

by CrackedGirl » Sun Jul 03, 2011 5:12 am

There really are meds out there that are not trying to kill you, they will help you.
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Re: Prolonging QT via AntiPsychotica(?)

by Vikidul » Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:36 pm

hopefully we find them, 
if we are better organized in thought, we'll come back and have to say more

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Re: Prolonging QT via AntiPsychotica(?)

by CrackedGirl » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:11 am

OK, good luck

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LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHTOICS

by cathyeg » Thu Mar 17, 2011 10:37 pm

THERE IS A STUDY I CAN GIVE YOU THE LINK TO THAT PROVES THE ANITPSYCHTOICS CAN CAUSE NEGATIVE SYMPTOMS OF SZ. I THINK A LOT OF PPL WITH SZ THINK THEY ARE EXPERIENCING THIS FROM THEIR ILLNESS WHEN IT COULD BE CAUSED, OR MADE WORSE BY THE AP'S.
I am bipolar, and the only type of drug that stops my depression, mania/psychosis is the antipsychtoics. Since I have been on them I have no initiative. I can't shower, clean, and can hardly cook. Shower once every week or so if I force myself. THis drug is causing it ..I never had any of this before these drugs. I have tried Zyperxa, Respiridal, Seroqiul, Abilify, and I am on Invega. Can anybody help? They seem to block the dopemine that makes motivation!! I also can hardly leave the house.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHTOICS

by seull » Sun Jun 12, 2011 7:26 pm

Actually I have this experience 2 months after stopping taking them. I cannot feel any emotions, I don't feel anything. I don't want to do anything. It's terrible but it is not a depression because I can go to work. If I continue to feel like this I don't see the point. What if my emotions don't come back. I'm sure this has been caused by the medication as I never had this problem before. I didn't even take that much of it.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHTOICS

by CrackedGirl » Wed Jun 15, 2011 7:54 am

If you have concerns about your meds you should talk to your Dr and see if they can find a more appropriate mix for you. I understand that it is frustrating as I have been there but you can get the balance.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHT

by Koopa » Sun Feb 23, 2014 7:43 pm

The emptiness, the numbness... the thought of it terrifies me more than anything else. I am not yet taking anti-psychotic medication for my schizophrenia yet I am already beginning to feel nothing... the idea that this could be enhanced or that I could be permanently made this way scares me.

I would rather feel anything than to feel nothing... is this a common side effect? I need to learn more, before I decide to take anything.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHT

by Cheze2 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:54 pm

Koopa wrote:is this a common side effect?


It depends on the medication and upon the person. I have been on some medications that have enhanced this "emptiness" feeling. My current medication regime does not do this at all.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHT

by angelbeatz » Wed Feb 26, 2014 2:49 pm

I can confirm that the anti-psychotic is causing or making the negative symptom worse for schizophrenia. I have been on and off the medication for the last 5 years. Whenever I come off and recover from the effect I feel my life has a drive or purpose, my mind becomes very sharp, and things become easier and not much of a hassle, I could take care of myself, and my brain becomes very efficient in solving problems and performing tasks. I have tried risperidone, abilify, solian, invega before coming off. Now that I got started with risperidone several months ago I start to notice my negative symptom coming back and worse, my memory was bad, I lost fluency in my speech (they take it as the illness and not the med), keep forgetting things in mid-sentence, my mind was a fog, I couldn't understand what anybody was saying to me as well as nothing sinks in when I turn on the tally, I couldn't concentrate for any longer than 10 minutes. For these months I didn't have a life and was constantly asleep in the day, feeling like crap, lousy even, I slept for more than 13 hours and still feels tired and no energy. Not to mention the physical side effect apart from the cognitive side effect such as my body's temperature control goes haywire, uncomfortable constipation for a month, muscle cramps, gained weight (fat/water weight), body feels weak etc. I can honestly say that the treatment is worst than the illness, and it made my life more difficult and unbearable at times. I can't imagine anyone having to take the med for years and years and years, but unfortunately, according to the psychiatric profession people have to take it for that long or for life in the misguided notion that people with schizophrenia have a high chance of relapse and that this is an incurable disease that needs you to keep taking medication to act as prevention from it. I have heard that the brain can adjust to it but you could never become brilliant while on anti-psychotics.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHT

by Koopa » Thu Feb 27, 2014 5:30 am

angelbeatz wrote: I can confirm that the anti-psychotic is causing or making the negative symptom worse for schizophrenia. I have been on and off the medication for the last 5 years. Whenever I come off and recover from the effect I feel my life has a drive or purpose, my mind becomes very sharp, and things become easier and not much of a hassle, I could take care of myself, and my brain becomes very efficient in solving problems and performing tasks. I have tried risperidone, abilify, solian, invega before coming off. Now that I got started with risperidone several months ago I start to notice my negative symptom coming back and worse, my memory was bad, I lost fluency in my speech (they take it as the illness and not the med), keep forgetting things in mid-sentence, my mind was a fog, I couldn't understand what anybody was saying to me as well as nothing sinks in when I turn on the tally, I couldn't concentrate for any longer than 10 minutes. For these months I didn't have a life and was constantly asleep in the day, feeling like crap, lousy even, I slept for more than 13 hours and still feels tired and no energy. Not to mention the physical side effect apart from the cognitive side effect such as my body's temperature control goes haywire, uncomfortable constipation for a month, muscle cramps, gained weight (fat/water weight), body feels weak etc. I can honestly say that the treatment is worst than the illness, and it made my life more difficult and unbearable at times. I can't imagine anyone having to take the med for years and years and years, but unfortunately, according to the psychiatric profession people have to take it for that long or for life in the misguided notion that people with schizophrenia have a high chance of relapse and that this is an incurable disease that needs you to keep taking medication to act as prevention from it. I have heard that the brain can adjust to it but you could never become brilliant while on anti-psychotics.


I can relate to a lot of this and I am not even on medication yet (aside from physical symptoms). This is very concerning, thank you for taking the time to let me know about this. This is going to require a lot more thought -- especially since I hate anything that affects my mind.

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Re: LACK OF MOTIVATION/NEGATIVE SYMPTOM/AVOLITION ANTIPSYCHT

by Cheze2 » Sat Mar 08, 2014 1:52 pm

angelbeatz wrote: I can confirm that the anti-psychotic is causing or making the negative symptom worse for schizophrenia.


Each person's body is different there is no way to confirm that this is the case. Only the person who can determine this is the individual taking the medication

 

angelbeatz wrote: according to the psychiatric profession people have to take it for that long or for life in the misguided notion that people with schizophrenia have a high chance of relapse and that this is an incurable disease that needs you to keep taking medication to act as prevention from it.

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Schizophrenia is not an incurable disease. Approximately 25-30% of people diagnosed with schizophrenia fully recover. There are several peer reviewed articles that you can look up which state this. Not all people diagnosed with schizophrenia need to take medications for the rest of their lives.

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Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by art10 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 3:18 am

So I took an atypical antipsychotic for almost 3 weeks only but had to stop because of no response (same result as various meds before), during this, I had what you call a retrograde ejaculation, I'd not have semen while ejaculating... now I've completely stopped the med since 3 days but still no semen, I am really freaking out, is this temporary or permanent? If temporary, when can I have my semen back?!

This may sound funny but I am really anxious at the moment.

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by Professer » Tue Jul 08, 2014 9:52 am

art10 wrote: So I took an atypical antipsychotic for almost 3 weeks only but had to stop because of no response (same result as various meds before), during this, I had what you call a retrograde ejaculation, I'd not have semen while ejaculating... now I've completely stopped the med since 3 days but still no semen, I am really freaking out, is this temporary or permanent? If temporary, when can I have my semen back?!

This may sound funny but I am really anxious at the moment.


No worries... it is temporary. It may take 2 to 4 weeks for the antipsychotic to completely leave your system. Sometime before then all system will return to baseline.

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by Cheze2 » Sun Jul 13, 2014 11:45 am

If you're still worried, don't hesitate to contact your doctor. I wish you the best.

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by art10 » Sat Jul 19, 2014 2:09 pm

Update: It has been 2 weeks since I stopped the medication, still no semen, only dry orgasms!

I visited my doc (not a pdoc), had many exams, nothing is irregular! Please someone tell me that this is not permanent and it may take a week or 2 for my brain or dopamine or whatever to normally function again!

My doc told me to be patient but I am really freaking out since I've heard about permanent sexual dysfunction due to antipsychotics.

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by Cheze2 » Wed Jul 23, 2014 11:49 am

someone has told you this, and it sounds like your doctors have told you this as well. I know having to wait sucks but sometimes it's all we can do. Perhaps you could try to distract yourself in the meantime?

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by art10 » Sun Jul 27, 2014 6:43 pm

Another Update

So I ejaculated 3 times (ok this sounds awful haha) between my previous update and today's post. The first one was, as I expected, totally dry.

Now in the 2nd time and before I complete my 3rd week off-med, it was also dry but at the end some tiny drops came out, I instantly became hopeful!

After I passed 3 weeks and a few days and in the 3rd time, there was some, finally and sorry for the word, shooting, yes the amount of whatever (sperm?) is coming is increasing with time!

I am really hopefully that my bladder is being de-paralyzed with time and with a few more weeks, I will be back to normal! Thanks all for the support! 

Note: antipsychotics are really strong drugs, only mess with them if you are in total psychosis, my point of view as SSRIs and SNRIs are totally milder compared to them...

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by Cheze2 » Wed Jul 30, 2014 12:15 pm

I'm really glad to hear that things are going well and that you are recovering from this side effectI hope all continues to go well.

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Re: Freaking out, please answer! (Withdrawal)

by twistednerve » Sat Aug 16, 2014 12:01 am

Cheze2 wrote: I'm really glad to hear that things are going well and that you are recovering from this side effect.  I hope all continues to go well.


This.
And pray big pharma doesn't hear about this, or married couples will find a solution to replace condoms advertised by it. 

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Is it a terrible idea to get off the pills suddenly?

by adq23 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 1:18 pm

Long story short, I had a terrible trauma around 2010 and 2011 with people actually following me and (at least the first time) wanting to kill me, which triggered a brief reactive psychosis. For this I got zyprexa, which has recently been swapped to abilify and risperidone. However, the doctors still don't seem to believe that what happened to me actually happened, so they think that I'm still sick and in need of medication. What I think, on the other hand, is that the psychosis has been over for a long time, and that the little paranoia I have left is simply something I have to live with, or get cognitive therapy for. At least it's nothing that can be medicated away in the long run. 

This, coupled with the fact that I can't stand the cognitive side effects, makes me want to get off the pills and only take them when I feel I need them. If nothing else, then to see whether I'm stable because of the pills, or because I don't need the pills. However, as I said, the doctors seem to refuse to believe me, so if I call them they will probably just up my dosage, and I'm not sure I want to take that discussion. 

So, what I plan is to just get off the pills, and always carry them around if I get to need them, and call the acute psych ward if I need to. Is this a terrible idea? On the one hand, it would be hell if the psychotic symptoms came back, but on the other hand, it would be heaven to get my creativity and memory back. Plus, I really want to test the hypothesis that I'm stable because I don't need the pills.

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Re: Is it a terrible idea to get off the pills suddenly?

by Yorkshirelass » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:21 pm

If you want to come off them, IMO you should tell the docs your plans and come off them gradually. Suddenly is not a good idea.

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Re: Is it a terrible idea to get off the pills suddenly?

by Cheze2 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 11:41 am

Have you told your doctor that you have been feeling this way? Your doctor is responsible for helping you discontinue treatment if that is your choice. Unless you are on a CTO no one can force you to take medications. It is your choice. I would encourage you to talk to your doctor however about getting off of them safely as stopping medications cold turkey can be dangerous. There are some medications where coming off cold turkey can increase the chances that you will experience a seizure. It also increases the chances that you will experience withdrawal effects. Hopefully by talking to your doctor the two of you can come up with a plan together.

I wish you the best.

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Re: Is it a terrible idea to get off the pills suddenly?

by adq23 » Sun Oct 13, 2013 2:25 pm

Thank you both for the input. I just took today's dose, and left a message for my contact to call me. Hopefully he'll call tomorrow and book a doctor's appointment.

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Re: Is it a terrible idea to get off the pills suddenly?

by showmethewonder » Wed Dec 11, 2013 4:01 pm

adq23 wrote: On the one hand, it would be hell if the psychotic symptoms came back, but on the other hand, it would be heaven to get my creativity and memory back. Plus, I really want to test the hypothesis that I'm stable because I don't need the pills.


A struggle I think we're all constantly fighting. Meds can be both a best friend and a wost enemy, and it's horrible not being able to feel, especially when you're used to creativity that can easily be dulled with meds. Then when you feel better it's hard to believe it's the chemicals you're ingesting rather than you're own immunity kicking in. 

Just to echo the advice already given, I'd never advise going off meds suddenly unless they were causing severe problems - this can increase your risk of a relapse or symptoms returning stronger. At the end of the day no one can force you to take the meds if you don't feel they're right for you, but make sure you're doing it for the right reasons and at the right pace. It's also best you let your doctor or someone responsible know that you're doing it, so if you do go 'off the rails' someone will know to look out for you, as often you'll be the last to see it. Be aware though that this could become a heavy burden for someone who is not a trained mental health professional. 

Secondly, I would advise - if you can - switching Doctors to someone who will take you more seriously. Or perhaps, if you have a friend or family member whom you'd feel comfortable going with, ask them to explain that the horrible incident actually did happen and was not due to paranoia or delusions. 

I wish you the best and I'm sorry for the tough times both past and present. We're here for you.

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Re: Is it a terrible idea to get off the pills suddenly?

by adq23 » Wed Dec 18, 2013 2:03 pm

showmethewonder wrote:

adq23 wrote: On the one hand, it would be hell if the psychotic symptoms came back, but on the other hand, it would be heaven to get my creativity and memory back. Plus, I really want to test the hypothesis that I'm stable because I don't need the pills.



A struggle I think we're all constantly fighting. Meds can be both a best friend and a worst enemy, and it's horrible not being able to feel, especially when you're used to creativity that can easily be dulled with meds. Then when you feel better it's hard to believe it's the chemicals you're ingesting rather than you're own immunity kicking in. 

Just to echo the advice already given, I'd never advise going off meds suddenly unless they were causing severe problems - this can increase your risk of a relapse or symptoms returning stronger. At the end of the day no one can force you to take the meds if you don't feel they're right for you, but make sure you're doing it for the right reasons and at the right pace. It's also best you let your doctor or someone responsible know that you're doing it, so if you do go 'off the rails' someone will know to look out for you, as often you'll be the last to see it. Be aware though that this could become a heavy burden for someone who is not a trained mental health professional. 

Secondly, I would advise - if you can - switching Doctors to someone who will take you more seriously. Or perhaps, if you have a friend or family member whom you'd feel comfortable going with, ask them to explain that the horrible incident actually did happen and was not due to paranoia or delusions. 

I wish you the best and I'm sorry for the tough times both past and present. We're here for you.


Thanks for the reply. I actually went to see a priest of sorts at the campus, who talked to me from the assumption that what happened happened, and it was a great relief. He gave me an enormous reality check, and gave me advice on how to actually cope, instead of just prescribing more and more pills. And now the doctors have taken me off the abilify and lowered my risperidone dosage. 

However, I've realized that my paranoia is deeper than just a brief reactive psychosis (which, btw, wasn't that brief, at least not the second time around), and I'm about to have a psychologist check me for schizophrenia, or however the hell you say it, in which case it's probably a bad idea to get off the pills. Oh, and after a long discussion here on the forum I've realized that there's quite a possibility that I "hear" voices. Plus, I seem to have started to actually *hear* voices, as in having an auditory experience. So yeah, getting off the pills would probably be a bad idea.

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Tapering off Meds

by newuser » Fri Jul 13, 2012 4:59 pm

I am undergoing talk therapy and feel ready to stop this medicine. i tried with my psychiatrist before but i got symptoms again and had to start it back on. now with the therapist i feel like i can stop it again. but i don't see the psychiatrist until every 3 months to taper off. do you think it is ok to manage my own meds and taper it off myself without the doctor?

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as far as my psychiatrist knows i am on 5mg Olanzapine but really i am on 2.5 mg. Now I feel like i can stop it. not sure how to not tell the psychiatrist though seeing that that is her job. How fast have people successfully tapered off? In 3 months sound reasonable to go from 5 mg to 0?

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Re: Tapering off Meds

by WiseMonkey » Fri Jul 13, 2012 6:58 pm

Take a look at this website http://quitthecure.com/ This woman seems to be experienced with dealing with this issue. You can also take a look at http://beyondmeds.com/

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Re: Tapering off Meds

by newuser » Mon Jul 16, 2012 1:33 pm

thanks

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Zoloft causing extreme body heat.....

by HannahProspect » Fri Feb 21, 2014 9:25 am

Hi friends!
I'm new to medication and I have been taking 50mg of Zoloft and 5mg of Abilify for Bipolar one disorder and OCD for the last few weeks, and out of nowhere, my body temp has risen to extreme heights when I'm doing anything that gets my heart beating. It takes longer than normal too, to cool off. I'm dripping with sweat while others are just fine. Has anyone else experienced this as well? I read the warning sheets for each one, and the Zoloft is the main one for the body temp thing. Has anyone else experienced this and how do you handle it? Also, I get the night time tremors and violently convulse at least one time a night and I wake up automatically at 2am. 
Any input will be appreciated! Thanks and have a good evening. 

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Re: Zoloft causing extreme body heat.....

by Cheze2 » Wed Feb 26, 2014 12:52 pm

this sounds like something you may want to talk to your doctor about. overheating can be dangerous, especially in the summer months. I'm concerned when you say "violently convulse" are you having a seizure? This also sounds like something that you really need to talk to your doctor about.

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16. Zoloff

by MrSicily » Sun Jun 20, 2010 1:10 pm

             My wife recently went to her doctor for a sinus infection and started talking to him about how she had it with her life. He then tried to convince her to take Zoloff for depression. I don't think she will do this but, who knows, maybe she will! 

Question: does Zoloff help in any way with DD? It would be great if it did. Unfortunately, after a wonderful two month reprise, we are back in it again, with all its ugliness.

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Re: Zoloff

by manic666 » Sun Jun 20, 2010 4:13 pm

            I suspect you wife went to discuss her depressive mood //an the sinus was a cover//she would need all the time a doc has to tell him her probs//he obviously thinks she has depression or he would not of recommended zoloft// if she has she won’t get better without the meds, an zoloft is about the best for depression//i have had near on all ad,s an zoloft for me is the coolest//i don’t understand the DD bit was it that cryptic for//but i must tell you if she needs to go on a AD its not plain sailing at the start //there are side effects, an a dull sex life is one of them an a few more for a few weeks//so she may get worse before better, but she must hang in

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Healthcare and treatment in the EU vs. America

by PLEASEhelpME19 » Sat Oct 12, 2013 2:20 pm

I'm thinking of down the line moving to Sweden, Germany or the UK. I currently live in the US and want to know what EU mental healthcare and treatment theories for psychosis treatment is like.

In the US we are just coming into a government healthcare system and healthcare is mostly privately owned. I hear that Europe differs in theories about schizophrenia. In the US we think it's biological. In the UK I hear they take a different approach.
Also I hear that just by being from the EU, you get a healthcare card. Does this cover mental health?
Anyone from the EU or that knows about their policies please respond. I know a lot of people on these forums aren't from the US. Also, if this thread doesn't belong here, sorry I haven't been to this section of psychforums so forgive me if I misposted this in the Anti-psychotic forums.

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Re: Healthcare and treatment in the EU vs. America

by Yorkshirelass » Sat Oct 12, 2013 3:12 pm

I'm in the UK, and as far as I understand it schizophrenia is thought to be biological. That's not to say it can't be caused by environment some families are so toxic that mental health can suffer badly.
Mental health treatment is not great, and you can wait a long time to see a psychiatrist on the NHS.
Crisis care is usually good, NHS can be second to none in an emergency.
Do you think schizophrenia is biological?
Treatment for psychosis is usually meds.

 

Also I hear that just by being from the EU, you get a healthcare card.


You do get a healthcare card, but treatment as I understand it is basic. Not sure it would cover long term metal health problems.

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Re: Healthcare and treatment in the EU vs. America

by xxJefffxx » Fri Nov 01, 2013 5:15 pm

Good evening,
What you have to understand is that we have two very different systems in Europe and in the USA. To make it very simple, healthcare is not possible in the United States of America because of the large number of inhabitants, while, on the contrary, in Europe, the low number of inhabitants makes it possible. Moreover, the government in Europe uses liberalism, while in the USA pluralism is used. Which results in an obvious answer to that question when you are in that system: Do you think someone who works in the USA wants to pay for his fat neighbour? There is a lot of things behind that, which controls everything in America. Nevertheless, it is not a History forum. About your question, health cards in Europe also work for the mental health, you do not have to pay for your treatments at all most of the time and a part of your appointment for the doctor is also free. It is however different in some countries from the European Union.

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Re: Healthcare and treatment in the EU vs. America

by smithywise » Tue Nov 05, 2013 1:35 am

My experience of health care in other countries is limited, but I do have friends in Europe who have told me a fair amount, and I've been over there a few times.

I do not recommend that you go to another country in order to avoid medical treatment of schizophrenia, though I think frustration and other difficulties can make it seem like a rosy alternative. Part of the reason I say that is that I feel that medical treatment of schizophrenia can work out very well - though success depends on the patient, doctor, how good the communication is between doctor and patient, etc.

There are, in fact, 'alternative treatments' in the US and in most other countries. The question is, do they work. In forty years of experience with this stuff, I have to say, regretfully, no. It would be nice if it did, but I haven't seen that happen. 

In fact, when I was young I was totally anti-medication and I was very, very enthusiastic about alternative treatments. 

It was experience - bitter, bitter experience - that changed my outlook. Sad to say, I went to too many funerals because of alternative care. That hit me real hard. And where were the alternative medicine advocates when the person I most loved in my whole life, jumped off the bridge abutment? Where were they when it came to holding my friend's mom while she cried? She wound up in the hospital herself, trying to come to terms with it.

That's not to say I am in love with the usual less than bare essentials provided to people with schizophrenia. There is a hell of a lot of room for improvement. It's mostly about money. Good quality care isn't cheap.

But nor do I feel mental health care found in other countries is the answer. It might surprise you, actually. Many of the European countries can get awful paternal about involuntary hospitalization. In fact I think some of the EU countries are far more eager involuntary hospitalizers, than in America.

The other problem is getting into those countries. It's actually not that easy to get permission to live in most EU countries.

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I'm scared -- taking Risperdal

by Neuroexplorer » Sun Nov 25, 2012 12:56 am

I'm taking Risperdal 0.5mg, thanks to it I have apathy and complete lack of sex drive, at first I was desperate because I got bored all the time due the lost of my interests, now I don't feel despair anymore but I'm worried. Is this permanent? will my feelings go back when I get off of Risperdal?

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Re: I'm scared

by Cheze2 » Sun Nov 25, 2012 4:33 am

In my experience, yes your feelings will come back when you stop taking the medication that is causing the side effect. (In your case, apathy and lack of sex drive) Have you just started this medication? If you have, there is a chance that these side effects will wear off over time. Only you can decide if experiencing a certain side effect is worth the benefits of the drug. There are other medications out there that you could try if these side effects are too unbearable for you. Make sure you talk to your doctor about the side effects you are experiencing.

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Re: I'm scared

by Neuroexplorer » Fri Jul 05, 2013 1:46 am

Five months have passed since I left the meds and my feelings are back. I don't remember how long it took to recover them.

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Re: I'm scared

by Cheze2 » Sat Jul 06, 2013 12:45 pm

I'm very glad to hear this! Thanks for the update.

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Consta- Risperdal injections

by sandyman » Tue Mar 28, 2006 12:43 pm

            my wife has been on the two week injection for about 3 months. It took about a month to kick in and for about a month and half after that she felt good , was more appreciative of things and with a bit sleep meds she sleeps well. Just now I am noticing a slight change for the worse. 
Since this disease is degenerative the meds the dosage should be controlled accordingly. She is on the absolute minimum. Since she is on a CTO community treatment order, I can have the dosage upped but she is not cooperating and as usual starting to blame the meds for the way she feels. 
My advice is if she is on the injection and you notice a positive change (you will) is to somehow change the environment/routine she has been use to.

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by bsc » Tue Mar 28, 2006 1:33 pm

           Thank you for your input, Sandyman, regarding the injectable Resperdal. I didn't know, when I posted the question above, that she is also taking a Resperdal pill once a day along with her 4 Lithium pills a day. Either today (Tueday) or Thursday she goes for her 2nd injection. 

I wonder if the pill, with the shot, helps get it into her system faster? You say about a month for effect. I have already noticed the change in her personality and demeanor for the good. But she is still a little defensive about the whole thing. But no paranoid talk, no voices in her head. so far. 

Please post your wife's progress on these meds. I will do the same.

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by Guest » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:58 pm

          Hi (short for hello) 

Your (wife’s?) story is amazing and you are an excellent writer. The moment when your wife doubts the child is related to her, and yet she wished it was, is an awesome poetry. Don’t change anything. 

All antipsychotics have disastrous side effects. Because of them I now walk and talk and move like a robot. Its funny, I am a caricature now. Plus she is on lithium! Huh, drug cocktail. You might like to know that bipolar people like their 'highs'. They are kind of addicted to it. Teach her to see the positive side; if she is all drowsy, tired and lightheaded for the first few hours in the morning, she still has lots of time to enjoy the rest of the day. Sexual dysfunction, obesity, apathy, involuntary movements, feeling of impending doom. Don’t dismiss this complains. Show her the superman’s picture in a weal chair. How about his luck, ask her. You want to get over 50, and nothing wrong with you, huh. 
But all this only if she realizes she has a problem. When this happens her meds may get reduced.

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by whyme » Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:59 pm

         Hi (short for hello) 

Your (wife’s?) story is amazing and you are an excellent writer. The moment when your wife doubts the child is related to her, and yet she wished it was, is an awsome poetry. Don’t change anything. 

All antipsychotics have disastrous side effects. Because of them I now walk and talk and move like a robot. Its funny, I am a caricature now. Plus she is on lithium! Huh, drug cocktail. You might like to know that bipolar people like their 'highs'. They are kind of addicted to it. Teach her to see the positive side; if she is all drowsy, tired and lightheaded for the first few hours in the morning, she still has lots of time to enjoy the rest of the day. Sexual dysfunction, obesity, apathy, involuntary movements, feeling of impending doom. Don’t dismiss this complains. Show her the superman’s picture in a weal chair. How about his luck, ask her. You want to get over 50, and nothing wrong with you, huh. 
But all this only if she realizes she has a problem. When this happens her meds may get reduced.

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by Guest » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:12 pm

           does your wife look younger than her age?

 

 

by why me » Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:14 pm

           It was me, why me?...with the previous quetsion

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by bsc » Wed Apr 05, 2006 1:20 am

           We both look younger than our real age (I think), by what other people say about us. 

Some times when she is manic mode and very delusional, her face takes on a drawn look, her eyes bulge, the circles under them are more pronounced, and I am reminded that she is not 22 anymore.

Whyme, you must have read a lot of my earlier posts to pick up on the grandchild fiasco. Poetry?? I guess there is a sadness that she couldn't believe the reality that she really is a grandmother. She was afraid that it was a trick to give her something, and then snatch it away and disappoint her. We have talked about this issue. She says she wasn't denying her granddaughter, to be mean, but to protect herself and her feelings. 

Hopefully, the Saturday before Easter our daughter will bring over the granddaughter so we can all get reacquainted. At least that is the present arrangement. I hope nothing goes wrong with that. 

My wife does not appear to have any side effects from the Resperdal or Lithium, yet. I hope it stays that way.

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by whyme » Wed Apr 05, 2006 4:48 am

             Yes I read everything in a single breath. I love confessions. You might not see the poetry there because its a daily routine for you, but I am an outsider and I tend to 'forget' all the screaming and bad feelings that go there and just see an amazing couple. Beautiful Mind has fascinated the world, yet Nash's wife divorced her husband promptly when he got ill---not fascinated at all. I often go OCD site and I piss myself laughing on the detailed descriptions of the silly troubles people endure-everything is funny as long as it happens to others. 

My psychiatrist told me that I look 15 years younger and that all schz's do. We are punished in one way and reworded in another. 

Good for your wife she doesn’t have side effects. Some psychiatrist have told me nothing is wrong with me just because I have so many side effects. A weird way to make diagnoses, but psychiatry is a guessing game.

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by sisterfriend » Tue Apr 18, 2006 4:55 am

            Hey, bsc, I was just horrified reading over the last couple of my posts... did I really type that my daughter was going "oversees?" Good heavens. I hope your holidays were good & things are balancing out with your wife. I only had bad experiences w/ Risperidal w/ my hubby, and my brother-in-law did well on lithium but had, well, diarrhea, & regularly complained that he had to continue to take it. Diagnosed Psychso-Effective, he backed off his "hearing voices" meds himself & ended up overdosing on the lithium (the voices told him to) so now he can't take it anymore. He was doing OK on Ablify for almost 2 years then it jacked him up so much he ended up in the hospital again, not having any sleep for a couple of days. Lithium was best for him. Abilify still seems to be "working" for my husband, though, but he's only taking 5 mg last I inquired. At least he's taking that, or I'd surely notice! Anyway, everything OK still? Been thinking about you.

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by bsc » Wed Apr 19, 2006 3:11 am

           I guess it's time for an update. My wife has been busy several days a week visiting social workers, getting her Resperdal shot, seeing her psych, etc. Its more "social" life than she has had in a long time. She almost enjoys it since it gives her something to do, places to go, and people to talk to. She has been so isolated for a long time. 

Everything I just wrote sounds optimistic, but there is still an undercurrent of something in her voice, her attitude, some of her old delusional thinking she refers to, but doesn't say she believes in. 

She still says she misses her manic modes when she was so smart and energetic, she could do anything. She says she wishes she really was that way. 

I think she is taking her Lithium. The Resprdal is injected every 2 weeks so she can't miss that. In fact, if she doesn't show up for her appointment, the guardian atty is called to find out where she is. Since she knows that, she probably won't miss the shot to keep out of trouble. 

The hearing for "permanent" guardianship was this past Monday morning. Unbeknown to be, she retained her own atty to help her out at the hearing, against the guardian atty I hired. They got a continuance for a few weeks so the new atty could get familiar with the case. I did not go, not did I have to since I put in an appearance by signing my consent. 

The irony here is that her new atty is one I had made an appointment with to get a divorce a few months back. I never did keep the appointment, so it doesn't matter. 

My wife is very upset about this guardianship business. She wants me to call it off. She was trying to get it down to 6 months from 1 year. She says since we are getting along so well, and she promises to take her meds, there is no reason why a stranger should be involved in our lives. I told her that if there is no problems about her behavior, she will never have any additional contact with her guardian. 

I talked to my in-laws about it. They think I should force it to go at least 6 months, with a reevaluation at that time. 

My wife hates me for getting her (us) into this. Naturally. 

In a few weeks my life will change again. I finally found a job closer to home, where I could be home every night. I should be careful what I wish for.

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by bsc » Thu May 11, 2006 10:52 pm

           Here is an update. You haven't heard from me since things "seem" to have improved. She had a second hearing in the probate court to see if she could get her guardianship reduced to 6 months. They still went with a year, with the possibility of reviewing in 6 months. 

The good part about this is she is taking her meds. Showing up faithfully to get her Resperdal shot every 2 weeks, and taking her Lithium daily. She was off of it for 3 to 4 days while she had her leg operation last week, at the recommend of her Dr. She is fearful that she will be in trouble and is trying to avoid that. She has 2 attys watching out for her and giving her advice. Some of it even against me. 

The meds do mask the symptoms but underneath she is still DD and/or Bipolar manic. I can tell by her attitude about things. She still talks about the delusions in a confused way. She will say, I think such and such happened but I am not sure. She does now admit outwardly that she has a problem. She was not afraid to tell some people that she is bipolar. 

I can live with this as long as it can last. Now finishing my first week in the new job closer to home. We are together every night. That is making her happier and easier to get along with. She also knows that if her crap starts again, I will leave her. She knows that if she keeps taking her meds, I will be happy. Maybe staying together is the motivation. Whatever works.....

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by Goodwife » Fri May 12, 2006 3:15 pm

           It is funny. The main reason my husband got back onto meds is that I spoke to an attorney to divorce him. I think he realized that he will lose his whole family.

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by faithful » Fri May 12, 2006 5:27 pm

           Is there a "be careful what you ask for?" here? My husband, several times, went back on his meds when I made the threat to leave if he did not. Then he said go ahead and leave. 

And I am happier, alone, but happy. And he is happier, crazy, but happy, as far as I can make out. 

Things work out. My ex, unlike many on these postings, can function in life (at least so far) without medication - all the meds did was enable us to continue to live together, but it was as a nurse-patient relationship rather than the partnership of a marriage that I wanted. I have come to conclude that that was not enough of a reason for him to stay on such powerful drugs forever. Perhaps his new wife will be able to be a better nurse than I could. Time will tell. 

The medications my husband was on did not make his delusions go away, they just enabled him to control his outbursts, but he never stopped thinking of me as someone I wasn't. How is it for those of you with medicated spouses? Do you feel you are caretakers or married partners?

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by Goodwife » Fri May 12, 2006 7:40 pm

             My husband can not function without meds. He does not get out of the house, would not take a shower and acts only in reponse to his delusions (calling the police, hiring electricians to get wires out of walls etc). When he stopped taking his meds, he quit going to work. So, without meds, our relationship is very very strained. And yes, I do feel like a psychiatric nurse then. 

But, when he is on meds, our relationship is almost normal. We can have a relatively normal conversation without getting into sensitive subjects, like government spying. I don't think myself as a care-taker when he is on meds. But our relationship is nothing like what it was pre-DD.

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Doing better off the meds

by faithful » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:33 pm

            My husband did great off the meds for 6 months - then he went full blown DD, practically overnight. I now think of that time as being in remission, as in cancer - the disease is still there, it's just the symptoms that are gone for a while. Even though his doctor said clearly that this was a lifelong condition and my husband would relapse, those 6 months were good enough that I just pushed the possibility of relapse out of my mind. I'll never know whether the delusions were really still there those 6 months and my husband was just able to suppress acting on them, or whether they really went away for a while, but it did give me a short while of what passed for "normal", that, when it suddenly ended, pushed me to finally decide to leave. I knew then that even if he did go back into treatment, even if the DD was controlled for some time, I would always know that it would come back, and each time would be worse, because I would just be having my hopes and dreams dashed over and over. I hope, guest, that this is not true in your case. What does your husband's doctor think?

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by Guest2634 » Wed Aug 03, 2005 12:55 pm

           Well it is a long story! Well his original doctor ended up being nuts himself it turns out! So mainly the thing is, is that my husband was DD when he lost sleep and did drugs (not just prescribed drugs either), so that is part of it. He is normally overly sensitive and a little paranoid, but I think that part of it is due to his bad childhood, which I can live with the day to day stuff. So he was prescribed Strattera for his ADHD by this doctor (that I referred him to, go figure) then as he was seeing this doctor more and more, the doctor convinced him more and more that the small things were not actually small things, that they were probably big things. So of course he listens to the Dr. who convinces him basically that his DD symptoms are relevent. The Dr. never even thought he was DD at all, so...So as my husband was taking this Strattera and staying up for days on end, he was getting more and more paranoid and delusional. So now he is off the meds for Strattera he is better and sleeping normal, which makes him normal again. He does think certain things that people do are "weird" but I think part of it is due to his lack of trust in general in the population. He doesn't necessarily think people are out to get him, but he does wonder if anyone is nice to him why they are. That is part of since none of his family ever does anything nice without a ulterior motive to it. But he is obsessive about something and has to ponder endlessly sometimes on what I think are the stupidest things, but so far I haven't had much mistrust on his jealousy or insecurity. Mainly his weird pondering....and he ponders on many things not just me, so I guess it is just his way of getting through life. Anyway, he is going to meet another doctor on the 15th and see what she has to say. He wants to do something about his ADHD but I won't let him take anything as he has taken Addoral too in the past and it has made him worse. So we'll see what this new doctor thinks and we'll just go from there. I know she won't say he is DD unless he actually brings it up and talks about it, but he thinks he was only DD on drugs, and so far that has been true, so I am not worried about the DD so much anymore, unless she gives him meds that do it all over again.

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by bsc » Mon Aug 15, 2005 9:44 am

               I am back. I just spent 2 weeks of hell with you know who. A week ago Monday we were on the way to the big city where I work. Forty miles out the car quits - her car. The one we just put in a used transmission. She was sure at that time "they" were trying to keep her grounded by taking out her car. Well you can imagine her on the side of the road with me while waiting for AAA. The tow truck driver got an earful too. The mechanic I had it towed to said he couldn't look at it for a few days. When he did he fixed what he could but additional engine damage would cause a big repair bill. I didn't want to put more money into that car. She insisted that I fix it. I could but don't have the time. We fought over that for the rest of that week, since she insisted that "my friends" caused this to happen to her car. Actually she thinks I did something to it because before we left I raised the hood to check the oil. 

Following week I took her shopping for a "new" used car. But she was looking for one for me instead, since she deluded herself into thinking that I am now home and not going back to work anymore, so therefore could fix her car. 

We also fought about the new roof for the house - finally came to a decision on that. She wanted one that cost 3 times more then normal. Another of her delusions is that we have all this money in the bank, or soon will when the court decides in her favor against "them" in the lawsuit she wants to file. 

In the mean time work contacted me and told me that I had voluntarily quit my job if I didn't show up soon. DD did not understand that. She thought I was staying home for good with her. Last night I snuck out of the house with my suitcase and headed for the big city after stopping to see my granddaughter and daughter. Gave her an update. Hadn't talked to her since the hospital fiasco. 

So I am now sitting at my work desk at 4 a.m. catching up. Told her by cell phone to go rent a car. Sure hope she doesn't come here. Told her I need a break from her. More details later...

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Antipsychotics for schizoid attention deficiency

by Vieno » Thu Aug 09, 2012 4:51 pm

Hey

Today I saw a psychiatrist for my schizoid problems for the first time in my life; anhedonia, nearly absolute lack of meaningful relationships and inability to focus on external stimulus (mainly text). Because of my young age (18), she refused to say anything but "you're young". I stressed the inability to focus as the most acute problem, as it prevents me from studying and thus doing something beneficial while trying to get a better social life and recover from anhedonia. Thus she prescribed me perphenazine. I was surprised and tried to ask what's it for, but she didn't really say anything. I insisted to get information, and all she said was that it's an "universal soul medicine". She said that it glues the problems of soul together. What the hell... well anyway, I also managed to arrange upcoming meetups with a psychologist so all good for now, but what I'm wondering is that what can these drugs do to me?

I am not psychotic at all. I am just extremely introverted; talk to myself and isolate myself from the outer world to my own thoughts which makes it very difficult to read anything at all. I just start to think about other things immediately after grabbing a book. It's not ADHD: this has only occurred after I turned 17 and I have tried ADHD meds and they had no impact. So I'd just like to get some general feedback on these antipsychotics. I have no exact questions, I'm just curious if anyone with a personality disorder has tried and/or benefited from antipsychotic drugs.

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Re: Antipsychotics for schizoid attention deficiency

by indifference » Fri Aug 10, 2012 1:24 pm

Hi,

I'm on Abilify. I've been prescribed a number of different anti crazies but the side affects were too much that I ended up going full circle back to Abilify. Some I gained weight - I couldn't stop eating, others I have severe anxiety which didn't help me deal with my day to day struggles of telling what is real.

It's not a wonder drug, I still have moments where I can’t tell reality from insanity but overall they help me be more "normal".

I'm Schizotypal with mild occasional psychosis, but I tick all the boxes for schizoid. I have no emotional connections and take no enjoyment in interacting with people etc etc - basically people suck so why bother... The tablets however help me with my act of being normal, and interacting with others, they do not however help me concentrate or take part in other activities. My attention span is still somewhat the same - non existent. Which doesn't help me at work or study...

"universal soul medicine"? I wouldn't go that far. They help stop/reduce the abnormal behavior/thoughts etc but soul medicine it is not. I still struggle with $#%^ in my head even with meds. 

Anyway I hope they work for you.

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Re: Antipsychotics for schizoid attention deficiency

by Cheze2 » Sat Aug 11, 2012 1:02 pm

Perphenazine is used to treat the symptoms of schizophrenia typically. I have heard that more and more psychiatrists are prescribing anti psychotics to treat ADD/ADHD symptoms. 

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0000601/ 
Here is a link to some info about Perphenazine and it's side effects.

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Re: Antipsychotics for schizoid attention deficiency

by Vieno » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:55 am

Hey, thanks for the replies. I read them right away but forgot to reply as the conversation got much more active at the Schizoid Personality Disorder forum. Just wanted to let you know that your answers have been registered to my mind) I never took the meds. I don't think a universal soul medicine exists 

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questioning ECT

by charlie0330 » Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:19 pm

My doctor says I "meet the profile" for ECT. I have done quite a bit of reading on it and would really like to have some personal experience feedback. Is there anyone out there willing to share? I don't want to go into this blindly.

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Re: questioning ECT

Postby CrackedGirl » Thu Jun 02, 2011 9:40 am

I have experience of ECT tho have not had it myself. For the ppl I know who have had it it has worked well both with psychosis and depression. You would expect a general anaesthetic where they put a cannula in your hand or arm and send you to sleep, when you wake up you may feel a little hungover and will not be able to drive. It is done as a day case. You would have to have more than one session. I am not an expert and if you have questions your Dr should be able to answer them.

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Re: questioning ECT

by Simon Attwood » Thu Jun 02, 2011 10:17 am

Well I've just done some reading on it.
I was particularly amused by this bit from Wikipedia;

 

Italian Professor of neuropsychiatry Ugo Cerletti, who had been using electric shocks to produce seizures in animal experiments, and his colleague Lucio Bini developed the idea of using electricity as a substitute for metrazol in convulsive therapy and, in 1937, experimented for the first time on a person. Sherwin B. Nuland, having discussed the matter with a first-hand observer in the 1970s, gave the following description of the results of the first use of ECT on a person:

"They thought, 'Well, we'll try 55 volts, two-tenths of a second. That's not going to do anything terrible to him.' So they did that. [...] This fellow — remember, he wasn't even put to sleep — after this major grand mal convulsion, sat right up, looked at these three fellows and said, 'What the ###$ are you assholes trying to do?' Well, they were happy as could be, because he hadn't said a rational word in the weeks of observation."

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Changing doctors

by missystarr » Sun May 01, 2011 6:29 pm

I was about to ask if someone under 18 can ask to see a different doctor or is it legal guardians decision. My Mom at first was not sure to look for new doc but now she is. 
I also appreciate the advice some members gave me. I ask a lot of questions because on the web I don’t know what information is real and not. So that is why I joined a forum like this to learn from those who have the same challenges as I do. Also sorry about my long letters as I get carried away when I am upset.

 

The situation is I have violent temper and be depressed. They had me take a pill every day for depression and I was supposed to take another pill on Saturday evening and mid week. The first time I did not take it and my Mom found it later under mattress.
So that leads up to me getting the same medication in a shot. They arranged for medic to come to my house. I don't feel comfortable about it and now my Mom feels the same.
The thing that helps me not feel too upset about it is to know that my Mom heard a story of a young girl who had a nervous breakdown in her early 20's. She had a doctor come buy my Mom thinks the girl said every day and give her meds. 
My Mom also said she remembers a girl telling her that when her Dad died, when she was 16, she was such a mess that a doctor came to the house and gave her a pill of Thorazine. The girl said she lost 3 days of her life. 
I also understand that the shot was going to make me go to sleep in a very short while. They did not want me to fall asleep 1/2 way across town. That makes sense. They said when it is time to sleep you can go out standing up.

The medic came by the first Saturday night and they said we can do it downstairs instead of bedroom. I could sleep there on pull out bed. 
They did not want me to go upstairs after the medicine. That is so I would not fall or something. I could probably go right after the medicine but they said I have to stay still for a bit so blood pressure don't drop or something. So by that time I probably not be in shape to go upstairs.
The medic drew some medicine up into the syringe. I told him I don't want it and I am scared of it as well. He told me nothing to worry about as it will cause no harm. He said it was just a little something to make me sleep. I did not want to be put to sleep against my will.
I resisted and he said the doctor insists that I take the medicine. So they threaten me with psychiatric hospital. So far I have not been there but read a lot of horror stories. I don't want to go there if it is true what I read. I told them that I will cooperate for the medic. So he went ahead and gave me the shot in my cheek. And it was far from painless.
After a short time I was very calm then it felt weird and I was getting very upset and a little scared. I felt like I was going into this dream like state of mind like daydreaming while awake.

I tried to keep alert but it seemed the more I tried the more I felt like I was going into the daydream feeling. Then I started to slowly feel drowsy and could not fight on the sleepy feeling. I just then remember waking up Sunday.

I was doing OK it seemed with that medicine even though I don't like it. I stopped the temper tantrums but I may have done a bad thing. I stopped taking daily anti depressant for over a week.

The following Saturday evening when the medic came by I went into a violent rage. I am not sure if stopping anti depressant caused it. I shoved my Mom and screaming. They had people there to hold me. So I get escorted to rest room and when I get back the medic is drawing this white liquid that looked like milk into a syringe. 

They would not tell me what it was. My Mom said that she wish I did not have to get that. Medic said it is OK just 5 milligrams. I did not see the bottle as he put it out of sight. I did read the label on another little bottle on the coffee table and it said Promethazine.

The medic filled another syringe with some of that medicine. He told my Mom that I was going to get 50 milligrams of it.

I got 2 shots one in each side and again they did hurt.  Not long after I felt like I could hardly move. It was like my brain and arms and legs not communicating. What caused that?

Then later I felt like the other medicine and got sleepy. We are looking for a new doctor as I am not sure they are handling it right.

I also still don't know what that white stuff was and what was it for? 
And what does the Promethazine do?

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Re: Changing doctors

by lala2 » Tue May 03, 2011 1:32 pm

Hi Michelle, just trying to make sense of the situation, please correct me if I'm wrong. So I'm reading it as, the first time the medic came, he injected you with substance A in the cheek, then the second time he came round he injected you with 5mg of white stuff (substance B) as well as 50mg of promethazine? Whereabouts on the body did he inject you the second time he visited?

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Re: Changing doctors

by missystarr » Wed May 04, 2011 3:44 am

I appreciate your reply. I am trying to make sense of everything myself.

As far as the meds I was supposed to get one shot of some light clear yellow liquid that acts as an anti psychotic, tranquillizer, and sleepy drug all in one.

When the medic and our neighbor came by I threw a very violent temper tantrum and shoved my Mom. They made me go to the rest room and my Mom and our neighbor went with me so I guess I don't leave the house. Not a problem as I just got back from being out all night and doing photos for modeling. I was dressed up and I would not run out of the house and into public like that. So they didn't need a concern about me going anywhere.

So yes first time medic came he injected me with substance A. And yes 2nd time he came when I threw temper tantrum and was screaming, he had me go to restroom. When I came back down stairs he was filling a syringe with white milk like stuff substance B. I did not see the label on the bottle but another bottle was by where I was sitting. It said promethazine on it,

Then the medic filled another syringe with promethazine. My Mom said she wish I did not have to get that white medicine but it has to be done. My mom told the medic how she feels and he said it is doctors orders and yes must be done. He told my mom it was only 5 milligrams and won't do any harm. Mom asked how much promethazine and he said 50 milligrams.

I protested and they had to hold me still. I am sorry but I did not want to get those meds and especially not in a shot. I had one of 2 options take the shots or go in the hospital.

As far as where the shots were given was same way as the first shot but one in each side.

Do you know much about these meds?

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Re: Changing doctors

by lala2 » Thu May 05, 2011 12:24 pm

I wouldn't have a clue what B is. For A, I can think of a few possibilities but that's what's available in Australia and we're one of the fussiest in the world in terms of approving medications for use, so it could be something that's not even available here and that I wouldn't know about. Promethazine is an antihistamine but it has a lot of other effects too. It can be used for allergies, and nausea and vomiting. It's also sedating so that's most likely what they were using it for, for yourself. Hope that was somewhat helpful!

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Re: Changing doctors

by missystarr » Fri May 06, 2011 12:46 am

 
What are some of the possibilities for substance B?

And what did you mean when you say Promethazine is sedating?

Is it like a muscle relaxer and to just calm me down a bit?

What did they want it to do to me or what is it they were trying to accomplish?

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Re: Changing doctors

by lala2 » Fri May 06, 2011 12:08 pm

From the bottom of my heart, I really don't have a clue what B could be. It's definitely beyond what someone at my level would be expected to know. I only worked out what A *might* be because you mentioned what it was supposed to do, and even then I couldn't tell you for certain what it could be between the possibilities. By sedating I mean promethazine makes you drowsy. It doesn't actually relax muscles or calm you down in the way some other medications do. This is all speculation obviously, but it might've been a substitute "sleepy drug" since A clearly didn't agree with you.

P.S. I tried to respond to your msg but it's still sitting in my outbox and doesn't look like it's been sent even though it says "sent". But yep it made perfect sense.

 

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Have questions on meds.

by missystarr » Sun Mar 13, 2011 6:56 am

Can I ask some questions? 

I have some issues with one violent behavior. Sometimes hear and have hallucinations. I am under treatment. So doc gave me pills to take. I would stuff under mattress. So they said Mom will get the medicine from a script from the doctor and medic will come here to administer it. Mom said it is going to be a shot and have to get it. I think she said once a week. Medic also works in hospital she said so he is familiar with these conditions.

I can't remember the name but a friend told me that it is supposed to be an antipsychotic, tranquillizer and hypnotic sedative all in one. I think that is the rights names. I don’t know what any of that means and I don't always find what is correct on line. That is why I joined this forum.

First of all I am scared and I will admit. What are those drugs going to do to me and how will they make me feel?
Can they make me take the medicine if I am under adult age?

Next I hate needles and when I tetanus shot in my arm under my shoulder I jerked away with 3 people holding me. The needle could have bent but it didn't and they got it done. I also hate blood tests when they sick the needle in the vain in your arm. I already passed out.

I know I am going to jump and pull my arm away. That is especially if they put it in the vein in my arm like a blood tests. Out of curiosity I seen the needles that mom had put away from me. The needles are in these green and white packs and it says 21 something and 2 and 1/2 inches long. I know blood test needles were long like that. So I figure they do it in the vein of my arm. I had a friend who had tonsils out and they sedated her with an IV so I guess that is common to give the meds like in my case. But If I don’t jump I know I will pass out.

I am really scared of not only the needle but also the medicine. Do those kind of shots hurt when he puts it in vein in my arm? I know the needle stings when it goes in my arm for blood tests but does the medicine that they are going to inject hurt?

Any advise you can give me would be appreciated.

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Re: Have questions on meds.

by Caturday » Mon Mar 14, 2011 1:54 am

Hi Missy,
Wow, I'm sorry you are so scared of being given the medication. Unfortunately, yes they can give you the medication against your will if you are under the age of 18. Believe it or not, there are times when they force it on people over the age of 18. It really would be better if you did not fight them on this. If you fight, it will just take longer to give it to you and you risk getting hurt in the struggle.
You asked about it being an anti-psychotic, tranquilizer, and sedative. All that is saying is that it will help with any thinking problems you have (like hearing voices or delusions), and the side affects would probably be sedating and calm you down. Many of the anti-psychotic meds have tranquiller and sedative affects.
The 21 that you saw was probably 21 gauge. Meaning it was a 21 gauge needle. That is how big around it is. 21 gauge is small. Especially compared to an IV needle. The higher the number(gauge), the smaller the needle is in circumference.

I hope having a little bit of info makes you a little less scared. Give it a try in being cooperative. It sounds like you don't have a choice in it happening, so you might as well make the best of it.

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Re: Have questions on meds.

by chc » Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:55 am

just a thought, as I’am a RN that works in addiction unit, and, mental health unit, so for all you poor guys out there ,who, take drugs in the atypical or phenothiazines class of drugs, if u suffer from restless like feelings that bother the legs, arms, etc, ask for cogentin or artane. it will help drastically believe me u won’t have them at all or as bad by far.

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Re: Have questions on meds.

by missystarr » Tue Mar 15, 2011 4:46 am

I appreciate your advice, sorry for this long post and forgive me if I ask dumb questions. I know there is a lot of information on the web but I am never sure what is true. I felt it would make more sense to join a forum where you can interact with others about this kind of thing. I also forgot to tell you I also take a antidepressant daily.

What you say is awful and I do realize that it is necessary. My Mom and Dad are divorced and they think that affected me. Besides all the psychiatric issues I feel that I am somewhat intelligent.

My Dad was telling me a story on the phone and told me I do need to take my medicine. He said when he was in high school that he new a boy that had mental problems and tried to hang himself with a chain from a playground swing. That was after broke up with a girl. Then my Dad said when the guy was in his 30's again he broke up with a girlfriend and this time took his life with a revolver.

Then I heard a story about kids bringing a toy gun to school but had it painted like the real thing. He held another boy hostage in a men’s room and the cops came. When the one cop opened the door the boy pointed the toy gun at him and the cop shot him in the head. They said that the boy had mental illness as he told the class that he was going to die that day.

So even if the medicine is needed I am still not liking the idea that I have to get it. First I don't like the idea of being drugged against my will cause I am not an adult. I forget what the medicine is but some girl told me it is mind control. And if it is an antipsychotic, tranquellizor, and hypnotic sedative as one, she said it is most likely a powerful hypnotic drug.

Our neighbor works in the medical field. She is no expert in psychiatry but she has general medical knowledge. She said the medicine is going to calm me down and after a bit make me drowsy. Then go to sleep for the night.

Do they give you something like that? 

Do they give this once a week like for me weekend evening?

Can a private duty health professional come here to my house to do it?

I found where Mom hid the syringes and needles so she had to get them for something.

So if this medicine makes you sleepy and I want to go out that night can I like force myself not to sleep?

I can't go out school nights so that cuts into my fun time.

I not only hate having to get the medicine like that against my will but I dread that I have to get a needle. I hated vaccinations as a kid and had a bad experience when they tried to give me a tetanus shot.

Then blood tests are the worst. They usually stick me several times as they say vein rolls. I am not sure what that means. One time they did the blood test on the top of my hand. That was really the pits. 

So if blood tests hurt then getting that medicine in an IV shot with those long needles that Mom got must be as bad or worst.

One thing that I liked that you said is that the needles that I describe are thinner than an IV needle.

So I guess that will go in the vein easier and not hurt as much or have to get stuck several times?

Again I appreciate sharing what you know,
Michelle

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Re: Have questions on meds.

by Caturday » Tue Mar 15, 2011 9:29 pm

Missy,
Is there some way that you can go to the doctor's office for the injection? If your mom has the needles already, then are they planning for her to administer the shot?
I would say to talk to your mom and see if you can come to an agreement about another way other than someone coming out to your house to give you the shot.
As far as how the meds will affect you, I can only guess that since it is a once a week shot you would not be hit with it all at once and then nothing for 5-6 days. I say that to say that I would guess that it is a titrated dose that would not leave you as sedated after the initial time it takes you to get used to it in your system.
The shots that you describe are "IM"(intra-muscular) and would not go in the vein. Just like a vaccination when you were little, it would go in some large muscle(arm or hip).

I would not use my friends as the ones to influence my feelings on this. Only you can decide and you have not given it a chance yet to know how to feel. I know what it is like to get with my friends and hear the absolute worst thing that could happen, only to find out later that it is not all that bad.

Please try to give it a chance.

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Re: Have questions on meds.

by babybowrain » Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:58 pm

Hi, I don't think it is right that they are administering you medication in your own *home*...first, the medication has greater side effects for minors than it does for adults...second they are invading your life and making you a prisoner...what you have to do is act as well and as "normal" as you can. Do not fight, do not argue, nothing like that, even give compliments to the nurse. Second...see if they let you switch psychiatrists. Go to your family doctor and ask to see a new psychiatrist, or just call up a random one and ask if they can see you. I feel like they are being VERY harsh on you. Another option is to try to get admitted to the hospital again but this time take the medication as a tablet, and then they might let you out and let you have the medication in tablet form. Another option is to go on disability (check if you are old enough, here children are allowed to go on disability payment) and then collect the money and call up a lawyer and have them settle the problem.
Here is a site devoted to protecting patients from the harm of drugs http://psychrights.org/index.htm. I myself take medication and it is not that bad, but it is definitely nothing I'd call good. I am too very afraid of needle...I have too read that the medication is mind control and all that stuff and at the same time that it is so helpful and I do not know which is really true. The medication is neither extreme mind control or extremely helpful anyway. Good luck.

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Re: Have questions on meds.

by missystarr » Thu Mar 17, 2011 12:13 am

I agree about not getting someone to come to your house and room to medicate you. The only thing that I can figure is that they want me to go to sleep and it would not be good if not at home. My neighbor who knows general medical stuff said something like the medication makes you sleep and while you sleep it works. I don't know if that is how it can work.

She also said they want to be sure that I get a good sleep as many nights as possible. I walk around sometimes late at night and can't sleep. The way she explained the shot is guaranteed to make me sleep. She said it induces a deep twilight sleep. I am note sure what that is either.

She also said that they did not tell me before but it is a shot 2 times a week not just on weekends.
She mentioned something about a depot shot that lasts for a few weeks. But she said what I am getting is not a depot shot. She said it is strong and not sure what my initial reaction will be cause of my age.

Also someone mentioned above to act normal for that nurse or medic guy if things went down that way.
So does that also mean allow him to give me the shot?

Michelle

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A personal review of some atypical anti-psychotics

by Celty » Sat Sep 04, 2010 4:14 pm

Hello, I am a high school senior who has been in psychiatric treatment for a little over six months. I have a schizophrenic-type disorder as well as depersonalization disorder. I have experienced hallucinations since I was a small child, some of my earliest memories are of a very real (to me) imaginary friend. These hallucinations didn't start to bother me until the advent of my parent's divorce where I spiraled into a sea of depression and self-harm. The hallucinations began to become dangerous - seeing things in the road while i was driving, or not seeing things when i should have (as if they had been erased from just my vision). Before entering treatment (I currently have weekly therapy sessions and see my psychiatrist bi-weekly) I suffered from delusions and auditory and visual hallucinations, as well as depression that worsened the aforementioned symptoms. I have tried a few atypical anti-psychotics, and below is my account of each. Just because it worked a certain way for me, does not mean it will work the same for you.

Seroquel (quetiapine):
This was the first anti-psychotic i was prescribed, with a starting dose of 25mg. When I first started it I had amazing results within 24 hours, it didn't do much about the hallucinations, but it elevated my mood and I felt overall healthier - possibly because of the sleep I had gotten from it. For me, Seroquel has a pronounced sedative effect, I get tired within an hour after taking it and I sleep well (uninterrupted) for approximately 7 hours. As the dose was moved to 100mg I began to have some ill effects. Mind you, at the time I weighed 96lbs at a height of 5'4". I would become dizzy upon standing and just feel generally lethargic. I cycled through this list of anti-psychotics, but returned to Seroquel later on, at a weight of 108lbs, I am currently taking 400mg and expect the dosage to be upped very soon, but now that the dose is higher, I don't have my delusions or hallucinations except for thinking i hear voices sometimes (as soon as I listen for them they quiet)

Abilify (aripiprazole):
I was prescribed Abilify with a starting dose of 2mg. There is a black box warning regarding suicidality in children and young adults emphasizes that this medicine is not approved to treat mood disorders in children. The medication didn't really do much for me so it was upped to 4mg. I began to experience dizziness upon standing and generally feeling poorly around the third or fourth dose. I was told to wait it out in hopes that it was just temporary, but the sickness did not abate and I was taken off Abilify.

Zyprexa (Olanzapine): 
I was prescribed Zyprexa with a starting dose of 5mg that was eventually upped to 15mg. I had no problems with the medication as far as side-effects interfering with my daily life. One thing is for certain though, when I was taking it, I was always very hungry. I have never been a big eater, and I often forget to eat (i rarely get hungry enough that I eat on my own without prompting) and once I do begin to eat, I can only eat a little before I become full. On the Zyprexa I gained 14 lbs in as many days. In my case, it was good that i was gaining weight, but because of the speed at which i was putting on weight, my psychiatrist thought we should try something else. My dose was slowly 'stepped down' from 15mg to 0mg over the course of 3 weeks while I was taking the next medication.

Geodon (ziprasidone):
I was only on Geodon for a short amount of time, and for me, it was terrible. One of the rarer side-effects, akathisia, was very annoying and in some cases painful. For me, it meant I felt like i had to keep moving all the time. When I was standing i would march in place, when i was laying down I would sort of bounce on my side (from bending and unbending my legs) and I couldn't sit still, I had to keep tapping my feet and so on. My original dose was 20mg, then moved to 40mg, and that's when the trouble really started. The akathisia became much worse, and I began to hear a voice narrating what I was doing as I was doing it. When I wasn't doing anything, the voice would just count. It was not a voice I had ever hallucinated before, and it was a man's voice that I found highly disturbing.

All in all, for me, the best anti-psychotic so far has been Seroquel, even though the dosage is fairly high I would say that I hardly hallucinate or suffer from delusions anymore and now that I have gained some weight (thanks to the Zyprexa, I have lost a few pounds since my huge gain, but for the most part I'm healthier) I don't have the ill side effects. If you are taking an anti-psychotic and suffering from ill-effects and are underweight, you might ask to be given something to increase appetite to help you put on a few pounds. In my case the extra weight has made a huge difference, though this might not be the case for others.

Also, I am on an anti-depressant (20mg Lexapro) that may have had something to do with the way the anti-psychotics worked for me. As far as I can tell from the Lexapro, the only side-effect it had on me was cottonmouth for the first few weeks.

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antipsychotics question

by themadness » Thu May 13, 2010 3:44 pm

are there any Anti-Psychotics that have been proven to work better than others. i know it varies but is one better than the other?

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Re: antipsychotics question

by Chucky » Thu May 13, 2010 8:50 pm

Are you currently taking one? I imagine that the different types vary in strength, but this could also be controlled with different dosage levels (i.e. different dosages of the sae anti psychotic). What you must realize to is that all anti psychotics in use would have shown benefits in patients. Otherwise, they would not be in current use. Also, if one was 'better' than another, then it would have the entire market share, thereby rendering the other (weaker) ones obsolete.

So, it is better to imagine them as all being the same there or thereabouts. The only 'variable' is the patient, and it's well known that medication can behave differently between any two people.

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Re: antipsychotics question

by themadness » Fri May 14, 2010 12:18 pm

i have tried some in the past and they were all epic fail. they put me in zombie mode and did very little for my paranoia, so i am back to the drawing board.

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Re: antipsychotics question

by Chucky » Fri May 14, 2010 8:28 pm

You're not back at the drawing board - Put your doctor back there. It's his/her job to get the right medication for you.

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Re: antipsychotics question

by themadness » Fri May 14, 2010 9:05 pm

i am actually somewhat scared to take them b/c of what they do to me.

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Re: antipsychotics question

by Chucky » Fri May 14, 2010 10:20 pm

I doubt that you have taken every anti-psychotic though - right? Why don't you just relay all that has happened back to your doctor and ask for advice... ...I think that would be best.
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Re: antipsychotics question

by eppie » Tue May 18, 2010 9:23 am

I do know that there are newer atypical antipsychotic on the market like Abilify and Seroquel. Reports on their effectiveness vary wildly but they do work for some people.

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Re: antipsychotics question

by ntuc » Mon May 31, 2010 3:05 am

themadness wrote: are there any Anti-Psychotics that have been proven to work better than others. i know it varies but is one better than the other?


Well, the much more advanced and latest FDA-approved antipsychotic/neuroleptics with far lesser undesirable side effects and much greater curative and therapeutical effects at the same time would reasonably be the better choices compared to the older version ones. Anyway, that is just only my personal opinion and other appropriate, objective and truthful advices and information thus need to be sought from various reliable medical sources and eligible medical professionals to ascertain the real curative and therapeutically values of each related medications.

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Re: antipsychotics question

by netsavy006 » Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:04 pm

It's different for each person, but for me, Clozaril was the best of all.

I know for a friend that also has the same condition I have, he takes Invega 3mg and low dose Seoquel.

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cross-matchings / cross verifications would be quite essenti

by ntuc » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:09 pm

Well, objectively it would be at best for the existing and prospective users of antipsychotic / neuroleptics to take certain genuinely unbiased references from such relevant sources such as www.drugs.com etc so as to cross-match and cross-verify any medical information pertaining to such drugs for mental disorders obtained from any other parties as a precautionary measure for the sake of the health cares of the users of such medications. 
Anyhow, I objectively believe that different medications of different therapeutical and curative effects are actually intended for different categories of mental illnesses and disorders of different original causes, symptoms and degrees of severities. 

Next, I believe that it would be important as well to consider and weigh the therapeutical and curative effects of the related medications along with their potential side effects which may turn out to be disastrous upon their manifestations. 

Well, in terms of the older and the newer versions of the antipsychotics / neuroleptics, I believe that the information given below will be useful to the users of such medications. 

Examples of First-generation antipsychotic for treating schizophrenia : 
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/firs ... izophrenia

 

In such a connection, please refer to the website as follows for some overviews of all these first, second and third-generation antipsychotic.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotics

 

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What anti-psychotic are you taking?

by CatholicSchizo » Thu May 13, 2010 5:20 am

If this applies: What kind of anti-psychotic are you on and what has been your experience with it?
Side effects? Weight gain? Motor tics? Aggression?

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Re: What anti-psychotic are you taking?

by Chucky » Thu May 13, 2010 7:02 pm

I read your other threads, CatholicSchizo, and they are each asking the same question(s). So, I have just linked them all to this thread. In answer to your questions about medication, I want to tell you that no-one here is a doctor and that medication behaves differently in different individuals. So, even if someone replies and says that they took such-and-such an anti-psychotic and that it didn't give them any trouble, this is in no way implying that the same anti-psychotic will cause you no trouble either.

Please just talk to your doctor about changing your medication. Tel him/her your symptoms on your current one, and then let him/her decide which new one to transfer you to.

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Anti-pyschotic- Please recommend

by She's Come Undone » Sat Mar 20, 2010 11:52 pm

I've been taking abilify for Delusional Disorder. I took it in the past, but not for the last year. I've been taking it for three and a half weeks. I've been taking 30 mg daily. I'm still very delusional, paranoid, anxious, depressed, and have trouble sleeping. Ativan at bedtime is helping. I'm so discouraged and angry that I'm not getting better. I see my psychiatrist in a week. I'll see what she says. Can anyone recommend a more effective antipsychotic, preferably one with minimal side effects. I don't like geodon or seroquel. The trouble with these meds is that they sedate you and interfere with your sleep so you walk around exhausted.

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Re: Anti-pyschotic- Please recommend

by Agent Zero » Sun Mar 21, 2010 3:13 am

When I started taking Geodon it was sedating at certain levels but the effect wore off after a while or would go away when my dr. upped my dosage.

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Re: Anti-pyschotic- Please recommend

by She's Come Undone » Mon Mar 22, 2010 12:10 am

How long have you taken geodon and what do you take it for? Any other side effects? I don't remember taking it for long. Do you think it has helped you? I will have been on the abilify for a little over a month when I see my doctor again. Have you ever tried seroquel? I remember it being sedating, but again, I did not take it for long. I'm not thrilled about taking something that can lower your white blood cell count.

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Re: Anti-pyschotic- Please recommend

by Jaxz16 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 3:17 am

Are you talking about Agranulocytosis? Isn't that more of a side effect with old school a typical antipsychs like Clozaril? 
Abilify- didn't control the racing thoughts made me more restless than I was off of it
Geoden- made me a bit drowsy also didn't help with racing thoughts
Seroquel- on 400mg daily now- gold standard. I have a love hate relationship with seroquel. I can sleep well and think very clearly, but the weight gain and the hallucination type dreams aren't very fun 
Zyprexa- if my life depended on it I would not be able to stay awake when I'm on this medication, which is why when I get in really really bad manic phases I'm supposed to take this with seroquel.

Every drug reacts with each person differently and I'm sure you're doctor will know the best choice for you and your personal physical and mental health.

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Re: Anti-pyschotic- Please recommend

by She's Come Undone » Mon Mar 22, 2010 1:58 pm

Thank you for your input. Maybe I'll give the seroquel a try, depending on what my doctor says. I'm assuming you take it at night? I'm not thrilled about the possibility of more weight gain, but perhaps if I can think more clearly, I won't be so anxious, and therefore I won't binge. I was under the impression it can lower your white blood cell count, however. How long were you on the seroquel before you noticed a difference? There's a manic component to my disorder as well.

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Re: Anti-pyschotic- Please recommend

by Jaxz16 » Mon Mar 22, 2010 7:38 pm

With seroquel you notice the difference pretty fast because it has such a high sedating quality for a lot of people and the sedating quality also counteracts any manic feelings. I started out only taking 50 mg but my body quickly adjusted to that dose and my dosage was increased over time to 400 mg daily. I do take it in the evening, but I know people that are on up to 1200 mg daily that they take throughout the day.

Sometimes I can hear my bones straining under the weight of all the lives I'm not living.
The bruises go away, and so does how you hate, and so does the feeling that everything you receive from life is something you have earned.
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anti psychotics

by me123 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 9:48 am

how quickly do they work for you? would appreciate peoples opinions.

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Re: Rispiridone

by me123 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 10:33 am

feel so bad right now
just no hope
i feel doomed

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Re: Rispiridone

by Sketch » Sun Aug 09, 2009 2:50 pm

Respiridone helped me sleep straight away.

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Re: Rispiridone

by me123 » Sun Aug 09, 2009 3:30 pm

yeah it has helped me sleep a bit better but i don’t notice any other change.

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Re: anti psychotics

by DOmo » Mon Aug 10, 2009 12:03 pm

seroquel was like a light switch for me. i felt different the next day.. got massive side effects as well, but after a week of treatment i completely ended a manic cycle.

resperdal did nothing for me.. i stopped taking it and felt worse afterwards.

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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Tue Aug 11, 2009 12:31 am

oops sorry i wil delete as much as i can.

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Re: anti psychotics

by divine5wilderness » Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:07 pm

Most anti-psychotics haven't helped me, but I think generally give it a few months. Some people respond immediately, others it takes a few months. My loxapine seems to be helping right now, but it's hard to tell.


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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 12:23 am

i feel worse off them than on them

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Re: anti psychotics

by otonili » Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:48 pm

hi me123...im new and this is the first time I’ve posted. antip's have always had some sort of an immediate effect but it could take a couple of weeks for the full effect...don’t give up!


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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Thu Sep 10, 2009 8:36 am

sorry for the very late reply
I’ve been on them about a month now and I’m struggling now with the tiredness
thank you for the kind words

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Re: anti psychotics

by Agent Zero » Fri Sep 25, 2009 12:06 pm

I'm taking geodon 120mg at night. I started seeing benefits as soon as I started taking it, each level had different effects for me too. I don't think it eliminates everything, but it has made it all much more easy to deal with. In the beginning it really made me tired, but now I take a multivitimin and 10mg of lisinopril with it and the tiredness has been greatly reduced.

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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Sun Sep 27, 2009 8:00 pm

the weight gain is terrible I’m only 5foot tall and now weigh 13 and a half stone its really getting me down, I’m going to speak to my doc tomorrow and see if i can change these meds

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Re: anti psychotics

by Agent Zero » Tue Sep 29, 2009 3:10 pm

Weight gain is a terrible side effect of too many of these meds. You might want to try ziprasidone (geodon). I have seen a decrease in my appetite since starting it. Unfortunately I had already gained a lot of weight while on other meds. I'm 6' and weigh 350lbs (25 stone I think).

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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Tue Sep 29, 2009 4:33 pm

i did manage to speak to doc and they are reluctant to change the med as its working in all other departments, I’m really not happy i feel really down because of it. i know how you feel agent zero, do you find it is working better for you ?

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Re: anti psychotics

by Jaxz16 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 3:43 am

Yeah Seroquel has made me gain a lot of weight as well. I don't want to quit taking it because my mind without seroquel is like a loud city street; so many thoughts none of them are coherent and they seem leave as fast as they came and it actually makes the background noise I hear go away. At least with the seroquel I can have a thought pattern, but I hate the dreams and the weight gain. I don't know why they haven't suggested Geoden, I'm going to ask about it next time I go in.

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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:06 pm

I’m going to check out appetite suppressants seeing as i have to take matters into my own hands.

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Re: anti psychotics

by Jaxz16 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 7:10 pm

I asked my dr. to go on topamax because I some dr.s are trying it out as a mood stabilizer and it apparently makes food taste bad so you don't eat as much... but my dr. was reluctant to change my mood stabilizer.

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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Wed Sep 30, 2009 9:49 pm

it really isn’t fair, i know these meds are working but the price you pay well is it worth it ? i may just stop them altogether, an ugly fat blob no motivation to get myself off the couch, they are making me numb and exhausted.

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Re: anti psychotics

by Jaxz16 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:44 am

I know what you mean, and not to mention that they're not very cheap medications either. But, I guess I'll just have to work twice as hard to keep my weight under control. It's frustrating I take my seroquel dose at night or I would be a zombie all through the day. I always feel so drugged for half the day after I wake up, but I guess I would rather be able to think.

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Re: anti psychotics

by me123 » Thu Oct 01, 2009 10:15 am

I’m going to make a list of the pros and cons of taking these meds, yes i take the larger dose at night too.

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It Is POSSIBLE!

by otonili » Mon Dec 07, 2009 1:30 am

I am back here to say that it IS possible to get off psychotropic medications through diet and alternative healing! Ask me! I will tell you whatever you want to know. Let me say, I went through YEARS of torment, meds no longer were effective. I almost died, many times in fact. Doctors could not help me, and acted so apathetic whenever I came in complaining about health issues. Got to where they would not even look me in the eye. At that time, I began to find out things, as if they were being shown to me via internet by someone higher (and I do believe this), and these things SAVED MY LIFE. I am getting better and better every day, and no longer have a need for such damaging meds. I contracted Tardive Dystonia from antipsychotics. Very painful and disabling. This no longer affects me. Please consider the options available, and consult your doctor.


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Re: anti psychotics

by Agent Zero » Tue Dec 08, 2009 9:07 pm

me123 wrote:i did manage to speak to doc and they are reluctant to change the med as its working in all other departments, im really not happy i feel really down because of it. i know how you feel agent zero, do you find it is working better for you ?


Sorry for the very late reply. Hope you're doing well.
Ziprasidone (Geodon) has worked very well for me. It's been like a vacuum cleaner for my mind. My thinking is clearer and cleaner than it has been in a long time. My hallucinations and delusions have been almost completely cleaned out. I don't feel tired at all from the geodon since it was upped to 160mg (120mg made me really sleepy after taking it). And I've lost a few pounds to boot.

 

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how exactly do anti-sycotics work

by hazey » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:18 pm

i been reading on the stuff that i been given recently i just wanna make sure i understand what’s going on with the medicine and how they work 

i read 

 

Olanzapine is structurally similar to the dibenzodiazapene clozapine, but is classified as a thienobenzodiazepine. Olanzapine has a higher affinity for 5-HT2 serotonin receptors than D2 dopamine receptors.

Like most atypical antipsychotics, compared to the older typical ones, olanzapine has a lower affinity for histamine, cholinergic muscarinic and alpha adrenergic receptors. It also has a weak affinity for benzodiazepine receptors which may contribute slightly to its sedating properties. [9] The mode of action of olanzapine's antipsychotic activity is unknown. It may involve antagonism at serotonin receptors. Antagonism of dopamine receptors is associated with extrapyramidal effects such as tardive dyskinesia, and with therapeutic effects. Antagonizing H1 histamine receptors causes sedation and may cause weight gain, although antagonistic actions at 5-HT2C receptors have also been implicated in weight gain


so does this mean serotonin and dopamine just get shut off or does the medication balance everything out? i always wondered why people looked like walking zombies on this $#%^

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Re: how exactly do anti-sycotics work

by Chucky » Mon Sep 28, 2009 10:35 pm

Hi,

In the case of serotonin, I imagine that it actually promotes the binding of serotonin to cells in the brain. This is how the SSRIs (common anti-depressants) work too. Antipsychotic seem to have general effects on a person, and they are used to treat not just psychosis but other conditions too. Think of them as a broad - and generally good - medication to use. If you've any questions though... ...you should have asked your doctor first! The Internet usually has lots of good info too. Go to the Mayo Clinic's website and look up stuff there.

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Re: how exactly do anti-sycotics work

by candymonkey » Sun Oct 04, 2009 8:16 pm

Umm ok basically this is my understanding of atypical antipsychotics. They are usually based around dopamine antagonists, and occasionally serotonin antagonists, however the exact parameters of the antagonism are unknown. What these antagonists do is bind to the receptors in your brain, and dampen the activity in the receptor (ie. the effective level of serotonin/dopamine is lowered.) They are definitely not the same as SSRIs, which increase the effective serotonin level. The serotonin and dopamine are not shut off as you put it (without them your brain would cease to function, and you'd kick it) just lowered. While the exact cause of psychosis is not measurable within the brain, raised dopamine levels are the constant in people with psychosis. The medication tries to fix that.

And the reason people walk around like zombies is partly because lowering dopamine levels cuts off emotional highs. You basically can't get as excited as you normally would. The other part is the fact that they are sedating, and the more you have to take the more sedated you become. The sedation is worse for some people than for others, because everyone's body is different. For that reason, medication becomes effective at different dosages for different people, as well as certain medications being effective while others are not. It's just a matter of testing the waters until you come to the right one. For me, it's a mixture of risperidone and quetiapine.

Hope that was useful.

 

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Question about Medication Ingestion Order

by Abstract_Logic » Tue Aug 25, 2009 10:47 pm

I take Sertraline (SSRI), Paliperidone (Atypical Antipsychotic), and Adderall (Amphetamine). I'm just curious about the order in which I ingest the medicine. I take them all in the morning after waking up from sleep. I usually take the Paliperidone first, Sertraline second, and Adderall last. Does it make any difference whether I switch up the order? Will it have any kind of noticeable effect? If anyone here isn't sure, then I will just ask my doctor when I see him. Just wondering if anyone here knew about it.

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Re: Question about Medication Ingestion Order

by Chucky » Wed Aug 26, 2009 12:12 am

Sorry my friend, but I am going to lock this. You will just have to talk to your doctor about this issue because no-one here is a professional. I hope you understand. This website has become immensely popular recently and we cannot be shown to be offering unsound advice.

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Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Thu Oct 08, 2009 5:04 pm

Anyone else having a difficult time maintaining their therapeutic lithium level? I know all about the various drug interactions and steer clear of them and keep well myself well hydrated. My therapeutic level is on the high side, 1.4 but my levels will fluctuate from .9 to as high as 1.5.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Sun Oct 11, 2009 12:25 am

Hi,
I have reached the conclusion that Lithium is a difficult drug to cope with!; having spoken to quite a few people who have been on it. If you are struggling to cope with it too, then there are alternatives, which - yes - you must talk to your doctor about!

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:07 am

I range anywhere from non therapeutic to almost scary toxic levels. I plan on having a discussion with my dr regarding this as well as some of the other meds I am on...and I can tell you there are plenty! <sigh>

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:10 pm

Oh, wait, I just realised that you're the other guy who I've just been talking to Lithium about in the other thread. Basically, what I said there is probably what i would have said here. Sorry, I hope that things go well when you talk to your doc.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:03 am

I've been on Lamictal and Effexor and was switch to Lithium and Depakote. Seemed happier on the first two, just couldn't control my hypomanic phases.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Mon Oct 12, 2009 9:29 pm

What did you doctor say after you spoke to him recently? or have you done that yet?

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Tue Oct 13, 2009 1:23 am

We are going to add a low level dose of seroquel, and a large dose of folic acid.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Tue Oct 13, 2009 8:36 pm

Thank you for getting back to me. Folic Acid is vitamin B9 (the vitamins is the area of biochemistry that I find most interesting). I could tell you so much about Vitamin B9 right now but I won't bother boring you. What were his reasons for prescribing you it? It is regarded as being the vitamin that can prevent such diseases as Spina Bifida, but that's only in babies growing in-utero.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Wed Oct 14, 2009 12:42 am

It's been shown in multiple tests that taking folic acid increases the effectiveness of lithium and may very well reduce some side effects. I guess I'll find out 

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Jaxz16 » Wed Oct 14, 2009 1:36 am

When I was on lithium they had me taking fish oil. The doctor told me he told all his bipolar patients to take it with lithium. I didn't like taking eskolith, but lamictal isn't keeping the hypomanic cycles at bay so I might be switching back. It's a pain in the ass to keep the levels maintained though.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Wed Oct 14, 2009 9:52 pm

hehe, the plot just thickens and thickens where Lithium is concerned. So, you're taking the folate because you're taking the Lithium; and you're taking the Lithium because you're depressed. This leads me to a very good question actually: WHY are you depressed in your life?

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Tue Oct 20, 2009 11:54 pm

Well I just got my lab results and my lithium level went from 1.2 to .8 in two weeks. My dr is convinced that I am missing doses, which I am not- I'm a maniac (excuse the pun) in adhering to my dosage schedule. So I'm thinking that if I cannot stabilizer my lithium level I should consider some alternatives. I'm thinking of discussing the possibility of switching to effexor and lamictal.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Wed Oct 21, 2009 12:52 am

That's interesting actually - very much so. What else did your doctor suggest might be causing the reduction? It could be that his lab is simply measuring wrong... .. 

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Jaxz16 » Wed Oct 21, 2009 4:53 am

or it could be because your timing is different when you go to the labs. You're supposed to wait 12 hours before getting your blood checked, maybe you just waited longer or shorter than that.

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by michaelanthony » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:14 pm

Well, my lithium levels continue to remain what for me are below theraputic levels. I have spiraled into a nasty depression with all the lovely symptoms to accompany. My doctor is hesitant to increase the dosage because we are already above what is considered the safety zone. I can't understand how my metabolism seems to process the lithium so differently from week to week. I'm thinking it's time to consider the alternatives. Any success stories to share?

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Re: Lithium Levels Swing

by Chucky » Thu Oct 22, 2009 10:44 pm

I’m yet to encounter a success story here involving Lithium, but then why would the success stories come here? They'd have no reason to come here if it makes them feel better. The only ones who come here are one who are suffering and have various problems. You should just ask to be put on a 'lighter' drug such as an SSRI.

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Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics For Mental Disorders - Comment

by ntuc » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:43 am

Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics For Mental Disorders - Comments 

 

In terms of antipsychotics / neuroleptics meant for the treatments of mental disorders, clinical evidences actually indicate that those troubled with mental disorders, especially the serious ones, shouldn't just rely solely upon the medications as the one and only means of solution to their mental problems. 

 

To put it bluntly, such medications, they are no different from sleeping pills whereby their calming effects just 'come and go' after the lapse of their effective period whilst their potential disastrous side effects can be permanent upon manifestations. In medical sense, such mental disorders, especially the serious ones is mainly caused by the malfunctioning of the mood regulator neurotransmitter, especially Serotonin in the brain. Next, though the related medications can to a certain extent bring such a severe mental disorder under control by 'artificially' regulating, blocking and controlling the re-uptake of it in the brain of the persons suffering from it, medications alone however, by no means would be able to deal conclusively with the problems due to the fact that the root causes of such a disorder is actually resulting largely from the environmental, circumstantial and other interpersonal factors (or the changes of them) that are deemed to be emotionally and adversely unacceptable to the ones suffering from it to a very great extent. Such negative changes in turn actually account for the negative behavioral changes in them as described 

In short, it remains the truth that most of the antipsychotics / neuroleptics meant for especially the treatment of chronic mental illnesses would tend to work in such a way that they would need to change/alter the chemical balances in the brain of those taking such medications in the process of bringing such disorders under control. In the process of doing so, such a mechanism would unavoidably and eventually antagonize the neurotransmitters of the nervous system, especially the serotonin and dopamine (which is necessary for various neuromuscular functions), and hence disturb and interfere with the normal functioning of the nerves of the human body. 

Next, though it may take years for such undesirable side effects / scenario to manifest onto the ones taking such medications, I am just in the opinion that in the case of the medications having potentially such unwanted side effects, it would naturally be the duty of the medical personnel / specialists-in-charge to take all the precautionary measures to safeguard the well-being of the patients for the sake of their healthcare and welfare. 

The real-life examples that I have come across so far is such that for the ones relying merely upon medications and nothing else to deal with their mental disorders, they would tend to develop both emotional and psychological dependences upon such medications over the long-term whilst getting their mental conditions deteriorated from time to time, eg, from neurosis to psychosis and then just acquire all those almost irreversibly disastrous undesirable side effects like Extrapyramidal Symptoms, Tardive Dyskinesia, Dystonia, Akathisia, Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome, Parkinsonism disorders etc from such medications in the end. 

In such a connection, psychotherapy, counseling, emotional and other communication / interactive supports would be needed to complement the use of the related medications to achieve greater curative effects for such patients troubled by chronic mental disorder. 

As such, medications is one thing, but the mental / cognitive abilities of the patients themselves to eventually change their views and perceptions about their environments / surroundings, circumstances and people they are facing in a more positive way, particularly developed through the help of such counseling supports from the others in order for them to really get better and gradually develop positive behavioural / personality changes, is simply another thing that cannot achieved solely with the help of medications alone. 

In a nutshell, medications alone by no means can be a substitute for the positive interpersonal experiences that such patients would eventually need for genuine improvement and recovery of their sanity and the use of them should at the same time be complemented by other psychotherapy efforts to achieve the purpose of holistic healing. 

Lastly, I hope that the information given above will turn out to be useful to its intended readers. Thank you. 

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General Cognitive Behavioural Process

by ntuc » Mon Mar 02, 2009 9:45 am

General Cognitive Behavioural Process 

Well, a psychologist has actually explained to me before that any human actions / behaviours are generally dictated by a cognitive mental process summarized such as follows, and it would apply as well to the ones suffering from any mental disorders, but nevertheless are still mentally and cognitively well-aware of their surroundings and other objects / factors around them. Next, I find that such reasoning really make great senses, and hence, I just feel like to share it with the intended readers:- 

Perceptions (anything we see, we hear, we know, we taste, we touch etc from our surroundings / other people) => Feelings (the way we feel about our surroundings and other people based on anything we see, hear, know, taste, touch etc) => Thoughts (the types of views and opinions that we form in our minds based on the types of feelings we have for anything we perceive) => Actions (how we choose to react in response to those surroundings / other people based on the feelings and thoughts that arise in our minds). 

In such a regard, the underlying problem faced by the ones with schizophrenia, bipolar disorders and other mental disorders are such that they would tend to treat their perceptions (as mentioned above) in a very much negatively different way, and that in turn results in them forming all those negative feelings, thoughts and then all those negative actions of which others get to label them as negative behavioural / personality changes. 

For example, a person suffering from schizophrenia may, after 'observing' his surroundings, (Perceptions), just in turn, for certain reasons like past traumatic experiences, anxiety disorders, panic attacks etc, would tend to spontaneously and directly feel very much uncomfortable, anxious, scared and fearful for what they get to see, hear, know, touch etc (Feelings) , and in extreme cases, maybe they may get to hear 'voices' and feel very much threatened by their surroundings then have such false and unreal imaginations of which they subconsciously choose to firmly believe in that someone out there is 'really' / 'actually' threatening his life (Thoughts or in this case, purely false hallucinations), and finally just try his very best based on his own misguided judgments, to subconsciously become violently defensive and hostile against the others in order to save himself, from being killed etc (Actions). 

Similarly, such an explanation to a certain extent would apply as well to the ones having such disorders like Obsessive Compulsive Disorder, Claustrophobia (a morbid fear of being closed in a confined space) etc whereby a given surrounding, which may appear normal to other people, would nevertheless and otherwise appear to be abnormally unacceptable to them possibly because of past traumatic experiences, anxiety disorders, panic attacks and other reasons. Next, the feelings and thoughts that such people would have based what they perceive for the given surrounding in turn would be largely uncontrollable, if not subconsciously involuntary, while their subsequent responses/ reactions / actions based on their such negative feelings and thoughts, would in turn be very much the so-called reflex reactions which are substantially and in most cases, totally beyond their self-control. 

In this regard, it would be very much helpful for the ones dealing with such persons to understand their basic underlying problems and difficulties and in turn treat them considerately and thoughtfully with care, respects and most importantly, compassion, whilst at the same time, also try to be friendly and amicable to them in such as a way that rather than feeling uncomfortable with a given surrounding and becoming agitated, these persons would on the other hand, feel more mind-easing, emotionally calm, placated, pacified, soothed, comfortable and relaxing with that given 'uneasy' / 'uncomfortable' / 'threatening' surroundings that they perceive. Subsequently, all these efforts will definitely be tremendously conducive to the improvements of the conditions of their disorders and possibly the final recovery in the end. 

With all due respect, the antipsychotics and other neuroleptics just serve to temporarily block such negative nerve impulses about their such negative perceptions from getting sent to the brain of the ones having such disorders so as to artificially block all those negative feelings, thoughts, and then the actions. Hence, they are simply not a conclusive and permanent solution to such disorders. 

Well, in such a context, the most direct way of treating schizophrenia and bipolar disorder in the most effective, and maybe largely hypothetical way would be for such persons to totally change their perceptions about their surroundings, environments, the other people in a positive way and to start having positive and realistic thoughts and at the same time, to get rid of those hallucinations, fanciful ideas, little by little gradually and slowly out of their mind and replace them with anything normal, practical, realistic and positive. Theorectically, positive perceptions => positive feelings =>positive thoughts =>positive actions. 

In this sense, a great deal of interpersonal, interactive, communications and emotional supports from the ones genuinely willing to help them would be very much essential in getting this achieved, essentially in changing the ways they perceive, feel and think for anything they deal with so as to enable them to come to a decision on their own to have positive actions. 

Nonetheless, above all these external constructive helps from the others, all the self-initiatives, self-controls and self-disciplines that are meant to be exercised, essentially on the parts of the ones suffering from such a disorder, particularly to 'mentally-train' themselves to think realistically, positively, optimistically and to cast out / expel all those weird thoughts, hallucinations, fanciful imaginations and preposterous urges and whims little by little out of their minds and get them replaced with the positive, practical and realistic ones, so as to slowly develop positive behavioral changes in themselves, would in turn actually be the decisive factor in determining whether their conditions will practically improve or not, slowly and gradually in the end.

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Statistics of Recovery Cases For Mental Illnesses

by ntuc » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:02 am

Statistics of Recovery Cases For Mental Illnesses 

In fact, statistical evidences actually show that among the ones getting mental illnesses, especially the serious one like Schizophrenia, generally one-third of the population of such people would eventually manage to achieve full recovery, another one-third would gain significant improvements while getting occasional relapses of such disorders, whilst the remaining rest would just get their disorders worsened day after day until no recovery is conceivably possible. 

In this regard, I could tell you very frankly that the former 2/3 of the population of the ones suffering from serious mental illnesses, especially the serious one like Schizophrenia (who have either achieved full recoveries or substantial improvements), are actually the ones who have successfully overcome their own inner senses of anxieties, fears, panics, phobias and eliminated all the delusional thoughts and hallucinations all eventually by themselves, having received all the necessary external medicational and interpersonal psychotherapy helps from the others. 

Lastly, what I am trying to say is that as long as there're hopes in getting improvements for one's mental disorders, one should put in the necessary efforts and work hard towards that goal of gaining more and more sanities and finally full recoveries if possible.

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Further References

by ntuc » Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:03 am

Further References (Please Look For Posts Made By ntuc) : 
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As a summary,

by ntuc » Sun Mar 08, 2009 12:48 pm

As a summary, 
I'm suggesting the following as a solution to mental disorders: 

 

1/3 of medicational helps + 1/3 of psychotherapies, interactive, interpersonal, emotional, communication, counseling supports from the others + 1/3 of self-determinations, self-initiatives, self-controls, self-wills and self-disciplines to think positively, rationally, realistically and practically as well as to lead a normal and healthy life 

These are actually the advices I have obtained from many neurologists, psychiatrists, psychotherapists and psychologists as well as the very conclusions I have experienced myself. 

Next, I must admit that it's quite arbitrary for me to do so in the first place. However, given the fact that there are more and more people nowadays, especially the ones having the mental disorders who would tend to rely heavily, and if not completely, but at the same time, rather ignorantly upon medications as their sole and only means of dealing with their mental disorders, hence, by assigning the numerical proportion of '1/3' to each of those 3 variables for that 'equation' I'm just trying to convey a message to the intended readers that such factors as external psychotherapies, interactive / interpersonal, emotional / moral supports from the others as well as self-controls / self-efforts to think positively, they are just fairly as important as the medications when it comes to dealing with mental disorders. 

Lastly, I hope that the information given will be relevant and useful to the intended readers. Thank you.

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Hallucinations / Delusions - Brief Analysis

by ntuc » Wed Mar 18, 2009 11:53 am

Hallucinations / Delusions, symptoms of Schizophrenia - Brief Analysis 

In fact, for the symptoms of hallucinations / delusions etc that might come along with certain mental disorders such as schizophrenia, bipolar disorder etc, well, I was actually informed by the psychiatrists and psychologists that all these hallucinations / delusions etc, 'they' are actually 'fed' on such negative feelings as fear, anger, frustrations, suspicions and all other fanciful, illogical, irrational, erratic and unreasonable senses of those suffering from such hallucinational disorders. 

This is to say, the more and more, and the frequent and frequent that such people having hallucinations / delusions are to entertain / indulge / revel / be engrossed in such negative feelings of fear, anger, frustrations, suspicions and all other fanciful, illogical, irrational, erratic and unreasonable senses, and the stronger and stronger of those senses that such people suffering from schizophrenia / bipolar disorder tend to have, then the worse and worse their delusional and hallucinational conditions would tend to become / deteriorate over time. 

Similarly, the same concepts and principles would fairly apply to certain mental disorders like depressions, anxieties, phobias, panic attacks etc whereby the more and more depressed, anxious, distressed, worried, dejected, panicked, desperate, emotionally impulsive, fearful (of certain things, surroundings, situations, people etc) a particular mentally-illed person can get, the more and more serious that such mental disorders would potentially deteriorate over the long-term. 

 

So, one would really need to learn how to control oneself so as not to let their such negative senses running out of control. 

In short, in dealing with such problems, just don't 'give' all these hallucinations / delusions etc what 'they' want (in these cases, that will be those negative unrealistic / irrational / wildly fanciful senses etc as described above) so as to prevent the symptoms from deteriorating from bad to worse. Whilst the same approaches would be effective for the other mental disorders too, such as the ones mentioned above. 

So, the ways of overcoming these hallucinations / delusions, other mental disorders etc, on one point, would be to use certain related medications to temporarily bring such a condition under control (temporarily in the sense that medications have their limitations especially in terms of their effective curative period, whilst at the same time, such a 'temporary healing' is actually achieved through the artificial suppressing of negative nerve impulses to block all such negative feelings, thoughts - in this case, mainly the hallucinations, and finally the actions which arise from negative perceptions). 

On the other hand, one's self-initiatives and self-efforts to exercise self-controls, self-disciplines, self-rationalisings, self-reasonings etc to overcome all those delusions and hallucinations would be of utmost essential in helping oneself to cope with such mental disorders. 

This is to say, in order to overcome all those delusions, hallucinations etc, one would need to exercise all those self-initiatives, self-controls etc to exercise self-reasonings and self-rationalisings, so as to enable oneself to gradually and slowly think positively, rationally, realistically, reasonably, practically and sensibly, as well as, at the same time, to replace all those delusional, hallucinational thoughts, wild imaginations etc, bit by bit, with rational and reasonable thoughts and senses, just like the what the normal healthy people do. 

In the meantime, one would reasonably require certain psychotherapy, emotional, interactive, interpersonal and communication supports in getting such goals achieved. In this regard, such other activities as doing sports, playing indoor games (such as chess, card games etc), engaging in one's favorite hobbies, watching comedies, reading something interesting, positively inspiring etc, would all be useful in both distracting one's mind from having delusions, hallucinations etc, whilst at the same time, subconsciously instilling into their minds all those optimistic and positive thoughts that one would need to deal with such disorders. 

In short, having hallucinations, which to a certain extent might be associated with certain mental disorders, as well as the mental disorders themselves, well, they may be painful experiences to most people, however, it would take just the right treatments and other related remedial factors to achieve holistic healings for such disorders of hallucinations / delusions, other mental disorders etc.

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Mental Disorders - Further Explanations

by ntuc » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:25 am

Mental Disorders - Further Explanations 

Actually, in terms of mental disorders which may come along with hallucinations / delusions, all those external aides of medications, psychotherapies,  interactive, interpersonal and emotional supports etc, they are all meant for the same ultimate goal of bringing such disorders under control and there is simply no doubt for that. 

Next, since it's the ones having mental disorders are the ones who are actually suffering from such illnesses, which arise from negative perceptions, negative feelings and negative thoughts formed in their own brains / minds (instead of other people's brains / minds), it would eventually necessitate they themselves to put in their very own self- efforts, having received both external medicational and interpersonal helps from the others, to exercise self-controls and self-disciplines on their own to direct their own brains for self-reasonings, self-introspections and self-rationalisings. 

This is to say, for the self-cognition / thinking psychological part of the ones having mental disorders to form those positive feelings and positive thoughts in their own minds on their very own, and then to naturally develop postitive behavioural / personality changes, such a cognitive thought / thinking process actually can hardly be 'dictated' by anyone else other than they themselves. In such connection, as to the cognitive / thinking abilities / processes of different individuals, one of the simplest examples will be the process of learning a knowledge or something else whereby a person can get the best text materials, teachers, lecturers, tutors etc to assist one in his / her learnings, however, it would still ultimately depend on the very cognitive ability / process pertaining to that particular person which is then the key decisive factor in determining whether the knowledge is successfully acquired in the end or not. 

In short, those self-efforts (related to self-cognitions), in the very end, will eventually be very much essential, or rather the decisive factor in determining whether the persons having mental disorders will achieve improvements / recoveries for their mental conditions or not.

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Mental Disorders / Mental Illnesses - Neurosis Vs Psychosis

by ntuc » Wed Apr 01, 2009 5:27 am

Mental Disorders / Mental Illnesses - Its Two General Categories : Neurosis & Psychosis - Brief Explanations 

Generally, mental disorders / mental illnesses can be summarized into the two broad categories of neurosis and psychosis as explained below : - 

- In the case of mental disorders / mental illnesses which mildly disturb the normal functionings of one's cognitive / thinking abilities, functions and processes (of the brains), this would give rise to behavioural problems (that affects only part of the personality), which are quite uncontrollable and involuntary. Next, such scenarios are generally labeled as neurosis. Its common examples would be depression, panic, anxiety, insecurity, irrational fears, obsessive- compulsive Disorders (OCD),  hypochondria / neurasthenia etc. In this regard, such antidepressants like Prozac etc are actually meant for such mental disorders / mental illnesses. As such, please refer to the website below for further details : 

http://www.answers.com/topic/neurosis 

http://www.drugs.com/mtm/prozac.html 

- In the very much serious cases of mental disorders / mental illnesses whereby one's cognitive / thinking abilities, functions and processes (of the brains) are severely disturbed and impaired, this would then cause the much more serious personality disorders which may involve such mentally dissociative states of delusions,  hallucinations and in the worst case scenario, insanities. The most common examples would be scizophrenia, schizoaffective disorder, schizophreniform disorder, bipolar disorder, paranoia etc - which are generally labelled as psychosis . In such a connection, such powerful tranquilizers as the antipsychotics / neuroleptics etc will usually be needed to deal with such much more serious mental disorders / mental illnesses. As such, please refer to the website below for further details: 

http://www.answers.com/topic/psychosis 

http://www.answers.com/topic/antipsychotic-1

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Compassionate & Humane Treatments Vs Brutality & Cruelty

by ntuc » Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:11 am

Compassionate & Humane Treatments Vs Brutality & Cruelty Treatments For The Mentally-illed Ones

"I disagree. Research and you will find that most people with a mental illness was locked away."

"You may be right, nevertheless, locking such persons away, well, most of the times may just worsen their conditions for the very fact that most of such mentally-illed people might actually have experienced extreme cases of oppression, interpersonal pressures, high stress and sometimes abuses by the other persons before they actually come to develop such mental disorders."

"Next, the surroundings of a limited confined space / environment, which in many cases may just represent some form of oppressions to such people, and well, I don't think that such confined surroundings are, in any way actually conducive to the improvement of the mental conditions of such people, especially when such people are actually locked away for a long period of time, for that may actually constitute another form of extreme oppressions to such people."

"And that's why psychotherapy and other interactive / interpersonal / emotional and communications supports are important for the mental health care of such people."

Well, I have something more to add about these quotations excerpted from the prior posts. 

Actually as a part-time social worker, working along with other associates and dealing mainly with the in-patients of the government-funded psychiatric / mental wards and those of the special-care nursing homes, mainly by giving them our voluntary counseling therapies, one very common scenario that me and the other associates of social workers have observed so far, and yet pervasively concealed from the others, is actually the physical abuses, maltreatments and sometimes deliberate tortures etc inflicted by the related operatives-in-charge of such psychiatric facilities onto the mentally-retarded, senile and demented psychiatric in-patients of such medical facilities, which almost invariably go entirely unreported and grossly kept off the records. And most of the times, the victims involved may include those old senile people with impaired hearings, poor visions, severe cognitive problems, Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer, senile dementia etc. And whenever we come across such scenarios, we would try our best to stop such physical abuses, maltreatments and deliberate tortures from happening.

For your further information, for the psychiatrists and other medical personnel-charge of these medical facilities such as what we have observed so far, they would simply tend to turn a blind eye and a deaf ear on such physical abuses, mistreatments and sometimes deliberate tortures etc which happen in their very presences. 

In such a connection, all these scenarios above simply remind me of certain past events, issues and scenarios about the supposedly right and correct way in which the mentally-illed patients should be treated in order to serve their best curative and health care interests in line with the very basic humanitarian grounds. 

Included below are some classic paintings advocating compassionate and humane treatments (in contrast to deliberate physical abuses, brutalities, maltreatments, tortures, cruelties, ridicules, derisions, disparagings, mockings, humiliations, and other forms of subtle purposeful malicious acts) for the mentally-ill people who are totally unable to defend and protect themselves at all : 

The engraving of the eighth print of William Hogarth's A Rake's Progress depicting Inmates at Bedlam Asylum : 

The Hospital of Saint Mary of Bethlehem, a London mental hospital commonly known as Bedlam, sold admission tickets to the public in the 18th century, becoming a popular tourist attraction. In this engraving by English artist William Hogarth, part of his series A Rake’s Progress (1735), two women (seen in the background) tour the hospital, watching the mentally ill patients for their amusement. The hospital became notorious for its miserable conditions and cruel treatment of patients.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ress_8.jpg

 

Dr. Philippe Pinel at the Salpêtrière, 1795 by Robert Fleury. Pinel ordering the removal of chains from patients at the Paris Asylum for insane women 

French physician Philippe Pinel supervises the unchaining of mentally ill patients in 1794 at La Salpêtrière, a large hospital in Paris. Pinel believed in treating mentally ill people with compassion and patience, rather than with cruelty and violence. This painting, Pinel Frees the Insane from Their Chains, was completed by French artist Tony Robert-Fleury in 1876.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Pinel.jpg

Next, what I wish to say is that, along with everything that has been revealed and established in the distant past, I firmly believe that mentally-illed patients by right should be treated with greater amounts of cares, compassions, kindness, considerations and patience which are in turn geared towards the very practical purposes of the gradual step-by-step improvements of their mental conditions and recoveries of their sanities. 

In this regard, brutalities, cruelties, violences, maltreatments, physical abuses, tortures and any other harsh treatments, along with all those intentional, deliberate and purposeful mockings, jeerings, ridicules, derisions, disparagings, scornfulness, sarcasms, insults, humiliations and other hurtful things which are inflicted by the others onto the mentally-illed persons, well, all these malicious acts, such as what the medical histories have undoubtedly revealed, they are in fact far more detrimental and damaging to the mentally-illed persons than the very mental disorders that these pathetic persons themselves are having at the same time.

Well, by right the society should have adopted very much more tolerant, considerate and compassionate approaches towards the ones troubled with mental disorders. This is simply for the fact that treating such mentally-illed people harshly instead of compassionately, that would only serve to make things worse for such people and at the same time, I am in the in the opinion that for those persons choosing to behave like 'bullies', who are actually so unconscionable / conscienless enough to the extent that they would actually bring themselves to purposefully do hurtful things to the mentally-illed ones, the society and community as a whole should feel ashamed of such very malicious acts of theirs. 

In addition, there may be certain psychiatric in-patients who tend to behave and respond violently and aggressively to the others. And as social workers, as well as some of the psychiatrists that we work with, we simply understand that they are behaving so substantially, if not totally out of their own free will owing to the overwhelming psychotic influences of the mental disorders that 'force' them to behave so. However, this is barely and hardly a valid ground for these mentally-illed people to be alienated and denied of any compassions and right treatments that they deserve from the psychiatrists and other related personnel. For your information, whenever we come across such patients, we would always try our best to calm them down at first, and then do our best to get their personal trusts and confidence so that we could go about influencing them in positive and sensible ways later on.

In a nutshell, mentally-illed people, despite the fact that they are mentally-abnormal compared to the perfectly healthy individuals, they are after all human beings just like anyone else. And as such, they would naturally deserve the basic human rights, due respects, cares, compassions and patience they need from the others for the gradual and step-by-step improvements of their mental conditions, and it is beyond any doubts that such a principle is at least justified on humanitarian grounds. 

In this regard, for the brutalities, cruelties, maltreatments, physical abuses, deliberate humiliations, derisions, ridicules, disparagings and other purposeful malicious acts administered, or rather inflicted deliberately upon the mentally-illed ones, the society and community as a whole should, by obligations of humanities, put a stop on such heinous, sinister, outrageous atrocities and monstrosities which have been victimizing the mentally-illed ones over the centuries pervasively, ubiquitously, and yet almost totally concealedly. 

So, God help us !

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Additional Information

by ntuc » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:40 am

Brutalities, Cruelties, Maltreatments, Phsycial Abuses, Deliberate Humiliations, Derisions, Ridicules, Disparagings And Other Purposeful Malicious Acts Administered, Or Rather Inflicted Deliberately Upon The Mentally-illed People

Well, at the same time,

I would like to add that in terms of all those brutalities, cruelties, maltreatments, physical abuses, deliberate humiliations, derisions, ridicules, disparagings and other purposeful malicious acts administered, or rather inflicted deliberately upon the mentally-illed ones especially at the hands of all those ill-trained and yet official paramedics, those are exactly the main obstacles and communication barriers that we as social workers often encounter when we try to reach out to and win the trusts and confidences, especially from the institutionalized mentally-illed people. This is due to the very fact that these mentally-illed people would often tend to 'liken' us to all those persons who always do hurtful things to them and as a result, they simply would choose not to co-operate with us in the very first place. 

Whilst the key difference is that, when all those 'official medical personnel' who do hurtful things to these mentally-illed in-patients are actually get paid by the hospital administrations, we as social workers providing only unpaid voluntary counseling services to these mentally-illed people, actually need to 'take care of the mess' as well that are left over by all those inconsiderate, or rather inhumane, if not, barbaric 'uniformed medical personnel' working in such medical institutions. And as a matter of fact, sometimes these 'uniformed medical personnel' would simply 'display' their dirty looks and intense urges of 'bashing us up' too especially when we come to advise these people not to use especially unnecessary physical violences and abuses against the old senile demented mentally-illed in-patients who are simply unable to 'obey their orders'.

Why Are The Ones Deliberately Brutalizing, Physically Abusing Maltreating etc The Mentally-ill Ones Never Get Legally Prosecuted - The Other Ugly Truths 

 

As social workers working in the miscellaneous psychiatric medical facilities, these are a part of the ugly truths that we have witnessed and experienced on our very own so far, and hence, please give us your generous supports to improve things for the better for the sake of humanitarian causes and a better future as well as a better tomorrow for the mentally-ill ones. 

In terms of the deliberate brutalities, cruelties, tortures, maltreatments, miscellaneous physical abuses, and other subtle, insidious forms of inequities and unfairness etc inflicted purposefully onto the mentally-ill ones kept in the mental hospitals, wards, etc, well, as a matter of fact, those medical operatives and paramedics in fact do enjoy tremendous automatic cover-ups for their own enjoyable acts of sadisms. 

Whilst the authorities, especially the doctors-in-charge, police, inspectors, etc, well, as a matter of fact, they do largely and more than willingly to almost automatically and spontaneously connive any of their deliberate acts of brutalities, cruelties, tortures, maltreatments, miscellaneous physical abuses inflicted onto the mentally-ill ones. 

Besides, such monstrosities are even excused and condoned totally even when these acts of cruelties are purposely done for the sheer amusements of all those medical operatives, paramedics etc, or rather, "practised" for the purpose of gratifying their perverted sadistic whims and urges for tortures. 

In such a connection, the underlying "justification" for such "acts of discretion" "exercised" by all those authorities is simply: "Well, mentally-ill people are hardly the real human beings at all, and hence they are simply not entitled to any legal human rights under the constitution." 

Or to put it bluntly, to these authorities and law enforcers, mentally-ill people are as good as livestocks and animals rightfully to get butchered and slaughtered. And hence, such deliberate acts of tortures, physical abuses, maltreatments, brutalities etc "practised" onto the mentally-ill ones, well, they would simply mean nothing inhumane at all to all those authorities and law enforcers (the police, inspectors etc). 

Hence, if anyone were to ask all those authorities and law enforcers (the police, inspectors etc) to bring all those people "practising" the deliberate acts of tortures, physical abuses, maltreatments, brutalities etc "practised" onto the mentally-ill ones to justices, they most likely would just respond to you by saying " Hey, you must be kidding me". 

This may just sound to be harshly cruel, but unfortunately, that's also the harsh reality of life that the most governments and other authorities are clinging to, legalizing and "practicing" in reality. 

So, are we really going to just remain silent on these unfair issues that concern miscellaneous blatant violations of human rights and total disregards for human lives inflicted onto the ones who would otherwise rightfully and desperately deserve them? 

Lastly, please keep this one particular important thing in mind: Mentally-ill people are the ones susceptible to miscellaneous abuses and exploitation given the very fact that they are unable to protect and defend themselves at all. 

So, we would like to make an earnest and sincere appeal to you all to uphold the human rights and the humanitarian principles that these people would otherwise definitely and absolutely deserve as human beings. Thank you.

 

Re: Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics For Mental Disorders - Comment

by ntuc » Fri Jul 03, 2009 6:43 am

What I wish to say is that Mentally-illed people aren't sub-humans / playthings / livestocks / garbages / craps etc

As a matter of fact, the information that I have included in my prior posts are actually the naked truths, or rather the harsh facts of reality which are ubiquitously pervasive, and such malpractices exist as well in the developed nations, and there's simply no way for these realities to be obliterated.

In such a connection, I have learnt about the similar, almost totally-concealed malpractices from my counterparts serving in the other European, African and U.S and other nations worldwide too.

Next, all these atrocities are actually hardly deniable by any truly conscionable persons, and I strongly believe that you will echo our sentiments.

Lastly, what I wish to say is that the mentally-illed people aren't sub-humans / playthings / livestocks / garbages / craps etc, and as such, they would, at least on humanitarian grounds, rightfully deserve the due respects of human rights and other human-related freedoms and privileges and compassions from the others too, rather than being treated with cruelties, brutalities, physical abuses, sarcasms, callousness and other deliberate, and maybe amusement-inducing harsh treatments especially at the hands of the ones who are officially paid to take good care of their welfares and personal well-beings.

And again, I would like to express my heartfelt thanks to you all for supporting such a humanitarian cause.

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Re: Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics For Mental Disorders - Comment

by Ecco » Wed Jul 08, 2009 7:54 am

I think these drugs can be very dangerous potentially and are over prescribed. I agree with most of this and it is very well written. 

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Re: Antipsychotics / Neuroleptics For Mental Disorders - Comment

Postby ntuc » Tue Jul 21, 2009 4:35 am

Ecco wrote: I think these drugs can be very dangerous potentially and are over prescribed. I agree with most of this and it is very well written. 


Thanks for your compliments. 

I would like to add further that such drugs which are meant for mental disorders, especially the antipsychotics / neuroleptics intended for the treatment of psychosis (compared to the less serious neurosis), they actually and primarily serve no more purpose than to bring the related undesirable mental disorder symptoms under control through artificial means. 

And as such, such drugs should not be over-relied upon to the point of sheer abuses whilst other non-medicational efforts and factors as mentioned in my prior posts are in fact essential and almost indispensable for the purpose of holistic approach to dealing effectively with mental disorders. 

Related References : 

Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS): 
http://schizophrenia.emedtv.com/extrapy ... ptoms.html 

Tardive Dyskinesia (TD): 
http://schizophrenia.emedtv.com/tardive ... nesia.html 

Antipsychotics: 
http://schizophrenia.emedtv.com/antipsy ... otics.html

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Additional Information About Modern And Outdated Medications

by ntuc » Sun Nov 29, 2009 3:01 pm

Additional Information About Modern And Outdated Medications For Mental Disorders 

Besides, I would like to add that as far as the harmful and nearly unavoidable muscle spasms (involuntary restless bodily / muscular movements such as rapid purposeless uncontrollable eye-blinking / eyelid-twitching, Hemifacial Spasms, Tardive Dyskinesia, Dystonia etc) and other neurological disorders arising from the harmful neuromuscular / neurological / neuro-degenerative side effects of certain medications are concerned, there have been in fact a great variety of other far better medications with greater curative effects and far lesser harmful side effects getting invented from time to time nowadays by the modern medical science in order to overcome this problem. 

Nevertheless, the usual current practice of most medical practitioners nowadays are such that they would prefer to prescribe and dispense the inferior and outdated medications to their patients owing to the far lower costs of these medications, and hence the health cares of the patients are getting unfairly exploited and jeopardized in such a scenario. 

For an instance, the medication called chlorpromazine is actually one of the examples of the longly outdated first-generation antipsychotic medications that has long been superseded by the other far better second and third-generation antipsychotic ever since decades ago. However, such inferior and outdated medications are still the commonly preferred choices for prescriptions and dispensing of most medical practitioners nowadays. 

Examples of First-generation antipsychotics for treating schizophrenia: 
http://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/firs ... izophrenia 

In such a connection, please refer to the website as follows for some overviews of all these first, second and third-generation antipsychotics. 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotics 

Further Information : 

Other Ugly Truths About Cost-cutting Policy of The Public Psychiatric Medical Facility : 
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Mental Disorders / Cognitive Behavioural Process - Perceptio

by ntuc » Mon May 31, 2010 2:58 am

Mental Disorders / Cognitive Behavioural Process - Perceptions => Feelings => Thoughts => Behavioural / Personality Changes / Reactions / Actions / Responses 

Actually, given the underlying fact that mental disorders are actually something that arise from such psychological and cognitive factors of how one perceives one's surroundings etc, the feelings they have in response to those perceptions, then the various thoughts they form in their minds based on such perceptions and feelings for anything they perceive, and finally, how they choose to react to such perceptions, feelings and thoughts, they are thus very much different from the other physiological / bodily / metabolism-related somatic diseases like diabetes, heart attacks, kidney failures etc.

In short, mental illnesses which are defined by one's behavioural / personality changes, appropriateness of their behaviours, personalities, actions, reactions, responses as perceived and judged by the others, who in turn would label them as a variety of related mental disorder symptoms, they are actually caused by the various negative, abnormal, preposterous thoughts and various urges which are formed in one's mind in response to what they see, sense and feel about their surroundings etc.

As such, in addition to the medicational efforts put in to bring the hardly controllable symptoms of mental disorders such as deep feelings of depressions, nervous breakdown, violent emotional outbursts etc effectively under control temporarily throughout the effective period of each dosage of the medications , such non-medicational efforts of psychotherapy, seeking emotional and psychological comforts as well as interactive, interpersonal, communication supports from the ones close to such people would also be quite indispensable in dealing with various mental disorders.

Apart from that, given that negative behavioural changes caused by mental disorders are actually caused by such negative feelings and negative thoughts formed by negative sensory perceptions of anything around one's surroundings, one should thus try to control oneself when coming across and dealing with all those scenarios so as to try one's best not to have too strong emotional attachment / feelings for all those negative surroundings etc as well as try not to over-react to them. In short, one should apply one's reasonable senses and judgements and rationalities when dealing with anything unpleasant to them.

Theoretically, since one's reactions / responses / behaviourial changes actually arise from one's thoughts, such reactions / responses / behavioural changes would thus not occur at all if one could choose to ignore all those unpleasant phenomena totally and not form any negative thoughts in their minds at all. However, that would sound to be easier said than done.

As a summary,

I'm suggesting the following as a solution to mental disorders:

1/3 of medicational helps + 1/3 of psychotherapies, interactive, interpersonal, emotional, communication, counseling supports from the others + 1/3 of self-determinations, self-initiatives, self-controls, self-wills and self-disciplines to think positively, rationally, realistically and practically as well as to lead a normal and healthy life

These are actually the advices I have obtained from many neurologists, psychiatrists, psychotherapists and psychologists as well as the very conclusions I have experienced myself.

Next, I must admit that it's quite arbitrary for me to do so in the first place. However, given the fact that there are more and more people nowadays, especially the ones having the mental disorders who would tend to rely heavily, and if not completely, but at the same time, rather ignorantly upon medications as their sole and only means of dealing with their mental disorders, hence, by assigning the numerical proportion of '1/3' to each of those 3 variables for that 'equation' I'm just trying to convey a message to the intended readers that such factors as external psychotherapies, interactive / interpersonal, emotional / moral supports from the others as well as self-controls / self-efforts to think positively, they are just fairly as important as the medications when it comes to dealing with mental disorders.

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Why Non-medicational Interpersonal Or (And) Impersonal Emotion

by ntuc » Sat Jul 17, 2010 12:15 pm

Why Non-medicational Interpersonal Or (And) Impersonal Emotional Comforts, Reliefs, Supports etc Are So Essential As A Part of The Holistic Approach For Mental Disorders?

Well, I have suggested in my previous posts about the following as the holistic approach for mental disorders : 

1/3 of medicational helps + 1/3 of psychotherapies, interactive, interpersonal, emotional, communication, counseling supports from the others + 1/3 of self-determinations, self-initiatives, self-controls, self-wills and self-disciplines to think positively, rationally, realistically and practically as well as to lead a normal and healthy life ;

As such, I would like to emphasize once again that the non-medicational emotional comforts, reliefs, supports etc either in interpersonal or impersonal forms (and a combination of both depending on different mental conditions of different mentally-ill people), are in fact, very essential and indispensable in enabling the ones troubled with mental disorders to make real, genuine, long-lasting and sustainable improvements for their mental conditions towards the path of full recoveries in the end. 

Well, based on what I have learnt so far from the psychologists is that, everyone of us naturally are born with the innate urges to get upset, angry and even mad especially when we face certain surroundings, incidences, people that are considered unpleasant to us. 

Next, in terms of normal people who are not troubled by any mental illnesses, they normally have the mental abilities derived from their sensible minds and sanities to at least try to resist and overcome such urges to get upset, angry, mad etc whenever they feel like doing so by trying on their very own to calm themselves down. 

Whilst in terms of the ones troubled with mental disorders, well, given that their mind powers are weaker, they thus have lesser abilities to do so, and hence would tend to more easily get upset, angry, mad etc at things that are considered to be unpleasant to them. 

As a matter of fact, in terms of psychological reasoning, the mental abilities of the normal healthy mentally-sound people to at least try to resist such urges to get upset, angry, mad etc, such as what I have mentioned above, well, such mental abilities actually come from the "calming forces" nurtured, developed and accumulated into their respective minds on an ongoing way, normally and spontaneously without even them noticing it, through such events, incidences, activities, surroundings, people etc in their everyday life that would naturally make them feel happy, joyous, serene etc. 

Whilst for the ones troubled with mental disorders, since they do not have enough / are very much lacking in such "calming forces" in their conscious / subconscious minds, they thus face certain difficulties in trying to control their moods and mental conditions in the effective ways like the normal healthy people who are mentally sound.

For example, given a distressing incidence, different people would tend to react differently to it. Whilst the persons who are mentally sound could just at least try their best not to get upset too easily by such an unpleasant incidence, the ones troubled with mental disorders such as depression etc, may just turn out to be emotionally weaker and could not resist the urges to get depressed etc. In short, there are just not enough "calming forces" in their own minds to enable them to resist such urges to do so. 

As such, non-medicational emotional comforts and reliefs are thus very important and essential in nurturing, developing and accumulating such "calming forces" in the minds of the ones troubled with mental disorders in such a way that when they have gathered enough and sufficient "calming forces" in their own minds, they would then be able to consciously stabilize their mental conditions and exercise certain self-controls on their own so as to at least try to resist the urges and refrain themselves to get upset, angry, mad at others etc especially when facing certain unpleasant incidences. 

Besides, in terms of general cognitive behavioural process of Perceptions (anything we see, we hear, we know, we taste, we touch etc from our surroundings / other people) => Feelings (the way we feel about our surroundings and other people based on anything we see, hear, know, taste, touch etc) => Thoughts (the types of views and opinions that we form in our minds based on the types of feelings we have for anything we perceive) => Actions (how we choose to react in response to those surroundings / other people based on the feelings and thoughts that arise in our minds),

psychologically, the entire process can actually be explained in such a way that when the particular surroundings, environments, people's behaviours / attitudes etc (Perceptions) just through some effectively positive means / efforts of non-medicational emotional comforts / reliefs etc, appear to be pleasant, peaceful and friendly to certain people troubled with mental disorders, they would thus get to become calmer and calmer in a natural way in the long-run especially when they are continually exposed to such pleasant surroundings, environments, people's friendly behaviours / attitudes etc on a permanently ongoing basis (Feelings), and when such "calming forces" are accumulated sufficiently in their very own minds, this would then enable them to at least try to resist any thoughts / urges to feel upset, angry, mad etc at certain incidences, especially the ones that they have never expected and that are considered unpleasant to them (Thoughts). Finally and ideally, such an ongoing scenario would thus result in gradually step by step improvements in their mental conditions especially in terms of positive behavioural changes for the better and better conditions (Actions). 

Similarly, the same explanations would apply as well to other scenarios that anyone, including the ones who are mentally-sound, face in their everyday life.

For instance, when the mentally-sound healthy persons are exposed, especially unwillingly to certain hostile, harsh and unfriendly surroundings / environments / people (Perceptions) for a certain long period of time, and no matter how tolerant they may initially get to be, they may just lose their patience at one particular point of time in that they might couldn't help themselves but to feel annoyed, angry, upset, mad etc in the end (Feelings). Next, the accumulated calming forces they possess would then start depleting gradually initially, and then substantially as times go by, in that they may just start forming negative thoughts about the hostile, harsh and unfriendly surroundings / environments / people they face in their everyday life, even without them noticing such a change in the negative ways they think (Thoughts). In the end, such thoughts may just give rise to certain negative behavioural changes in them by becoming enervative / dejected, acting angrily, furiously etc (Actions). 

And, let me just give you all one example, and please bear in mind that it is just for references purpose only. Well, I have dealt with a patient having such a symptom that he couldn't help himself at all but simply has the irresistible urges to appear himself to be violently mad to others (without any intentions to harm anyone at all) whenever he talks to any other people. Whilst such urges in him to automatically get "mad" at others when talking to them, have just become so overwhelming and involuntarily uncontrollable that it has become habitual, even beyond his very own free wills, subconsciousness and consciousness in that, he simply could not realize what he is doing when he unintentionally get mad at the others. In short, his sensibilities, mind powers, self-wills and sanities largely could not overcome and resist such urges at such a stage. 

And upon knowing that the particular patient likes to gaze at the sea during sunset and having observed that the patient's mood tends to get better whenever and after he does so, I would, without the patient knowing anything, make the arrangements accordingly for the particular patient to get to the seaside to gaze at the sea during sunset as frequently as possible so let he could get naturally calmer and calmer as time goes by. 

Next, when the particular patient is confident and comfortable enough to relate to other people, and is able to summon enough courage to confide in me, I would then request that patient to take me along to his favorite seaside to admire both the beautiful surroundings of the seaside and the marvelous views of the sunset. 

Subsequently, I will try my best to talk about anything in inductive, subtle, indirect, subliminal and friendly communicational manners that are acceptable to him and could make him feel happy, joyous, serene, confident and sensible just like his good friend (from his very own perspective), rather than as a social worker trying to improve his mental conditions or to cure him. 

All in all, my very purpose of doing so is primarily, and indirectly without him knowing anything at all (so as to avoid any unnecessary stress that may potentially arise on his part), to cultivate and nurture bit by bit such "calming forces" into his mind in such a way that when such "calming forces" are accumulated sufficiently in him, that would give him the very ability to be conscious and mentally stronger enough to at least to try to resist such urges to get mad automatically at the others without him being totally unable to resist such urges at all. 

In addition, such a way of indirect counseling would actually serve to indirectly induce, inspire and encourage the ones troubled with mental disorders to gradually step-by-step, think positively, sensibly and rationally on their very own in such a way that they could slowly and on an ongoing basis, regain their consciousness and sanities bit by bit from time to time. 

Besides, in terms of the principles of general cognitive behavioral process of Perceptions => Feelings => Thoughts => Actions, this is also the very basic concept that we, as voluntary social workers, apply in figuring out various inductive, subtle, indirect, subliminal and friendly ways and means to effectively help the mentally-ill people troubled with different mental problems of different causes, symptoms and degrees of severities, so as to bring about positive personality changes in them gradually step-by-step. 

Apart from that, essentially a great deal of patience, considerations and tolerances  would be required especially from the ones who really care about and want to help the persons troubled with mental disorders so as to genuinely improve their mental conditions gradually and slowly step by step towards full recoveries.

Next, for the medications intended for and are particularly very effective in bringing down especially the uncontrollable symptoms of mental disorders, I would like to add that : 

Whilst in terms of medications for mental disorders, especially the antipsychotics / neuroleptics for psychosis disorders, well, they invariably would work in such a way that they would artificially intercept with the synaptic activities of the neurotransmitters chemical serotonin, dopamine etc so as to artificially block any negative nerve impulses from getting sent to the brains, and in this way, the related patients would get to calm down and be pacified substantially throughout the effective period of each dosage of such medications. And that's particularly the reason why they are labelled as powerful tranquilizers and mind-altering drugs that work by changing the effects of chemicals in the brain.

Nevertheless, in terms of such drug treatments, since the whole mechanisms are totally artificial and given the fact that the interceptions of the neurotransmitters chemicals and the blockings of negative nerve impulses by the therapeutical / curative effects of such antipsychotics / neuroleptics are actually no different from false / artificially forced suppressions of those nerve impulses, rather than a natural process by themselves, various neurological disorders would thus arise when such powerful antipsychotics / neuroleptics are over-relied upon to the point of sheer abuse in the long-term especially when the normal functionings of neurotransmitters chemicals are disturbed and disrupted in the end. Next, given the fact that the various nervous systems work with our brains to maintain the normal functionings of the human bodies, the brains would then get affected too in the worst case scenario in the end, and that would include structural changes of the brains.

In reality, what would really happen is such that the artificial therapeutical mechanisms of "forced suppressions" of negative nerve impulses and artificial interferences with the synaptic activities of the neurotransmitters, neurons, nervous systems and brains through taking such related medications would actually numbed the cognitive senses of the ones taking them. And that's the main reason why certain people taking such medications, would just appear like a zombie to the others over the effective period of each dosage of the related medications. 

And as a matter of fact, all the antipsychotics / neuroleptics and any medications for mental disorders, well, no matter how advanced they are, there is simply no way for such medications to deliver any of the actual healing effects that are equivalent to the interpersonal counseling therapies / emotional supports from the close ones etc, that the mentally-ill people need for further genuine improvements of their mental conditions and their final recoveries in the end. 

Besides, given their subsequent potentially disastrous neurological / neuromuscular, and in the worst-case scenario, neuro-degenerative side effects such as Parkinsonism, Dementia, Alzheimer etc which involve damages and losses of brain cells, neurons etc, certain efforts and precautions thus would be necessary to avoid the manifestations of all these undesirable side effects of such medications. 

All in all, I am not saying that antipsychotics / neuroleptics and other related medications meant for the treatments of various mental disorders are bad for the ones taking them. Well, such medications, in my opinion, actually work like double-edged swords whereby on one part, they are very effective in bringing the undesirable symptoms of mental disorders under control, whilst the downsides of them are such that their subsequent hazardous neurological / neuromuscular and neuro-degenerative side effects are definitely undesirable for anyone taking them. As such, careful precautions would need to be exercised closely to guard against the eventual manifestations of the hazardously undesirable side effects of such medications for mental disorders. 

Besides, In terms of psychological mental disorders which are totally different from other physiological / bodily / somatic / disorders such as heart attacks, diabetes, kidney failures etc, taking such medications for mental disorders are in fact, not the conclusive cure / solution to such disorders. 

Next, as a matter of fact, other non-medicational efforts such as what I have mentioned above, should also be put in and taken at the same time to complement all the inadequacies and shortcomings of such medications as well as to achieve a holistic approach for the treatments of various mental disorders. 

In short, the non-medicational "calming forces" that could be cultivated, nurtured, developed and accumulated and instilled little by little indirectly into the minds of the ones troubled with mental disorders through such efforts of non-medicational emotional comforts and reliefs are thus essential and indispensable in enabling them to at least be able to try to control their own moods and emotions especially when facing anything unpleasant to them, as well as helping them to achieve genuine, long-lasting and sustainable improvements for their mental conditions towards the path of final recoveries. 

In addition, generally and basically, all the non-medicational efforts of psychotherapies, interactive, interpersonal, emotional, communication, counseling supports etc from the others who really care about the ones troubled with mental illnesses, such as what I have mentioned above, are thus very important in building up such "calming forces" in them. 

Next, in terms of all such non-medicational efforts to provide emotional comforts, reliefs, supports etc to the ones troubled with mental problems, there are simply no hard and fast / fixed rules / ways for them to be conducted in that such efforts to produce such "calming forces" in them can be flexibly anything positive that are emotionally comfortable and acceptable to the related persons troubled with mental disorders. In short, such non-medicational mental comforts, reliefs, supports etc can come in any forms (either interpersonally or impersonally and a combination of these two efforts depending on the different mental conditions of different people) that appeal / are naturally mentally-comforting to the ones troubled with mental disorders, such as the example mentioned above.

All in all, all these non-medicational efforts that could be interpersonal as well as impersonal or a combination of these two efforts depending on the different mental conditions of different people, they are all directed to the very purpose of giving ongoing emotional comforts, reliefs and supports to the ones troubled with mental disorders so that they could gather and accumulate enough as well as sufficient "calming forces" into their minds to straighten out their thoughts, to clear out the confusions and disturbances troubling their minds, to let they themselves become more and more emotionally stronger and mentally sounder, and most importantly, to enable them make genuine, sustainable, long-lasting improvements for their mental conditions as well as to help them slowly regain their sanities from time to time towards the very goal of their final recoveries from mental disorders. 

In short, the entire psychological process can be summarized as follows:

Non-medicational interpersonal or (and) impersonal emotional comforts, reliefs, supports and "calming forces" cultivated, nurtured and accumulated gradually, continually and sufficiently into the minds of the of the ones troubled with mental problems => (will bring about) 

More and more self-confidences, higher and higher levels of self-consciousnesses and greater and greater sanities that would enable these persons to at least try to calm themselves down, to stabilize their mental conditions on their own, to think lucidly and reasonably and to act / respond rationally to what they deal with in their everyday life.

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Brief Summary of The Prior Posts Above

by ntuc » Wed Aug 25, 2010 3:46 pm

Brief Summary of The Prior Posts Above 

Well, objectively the point is that all such medications for mental disorders, including the antipsychotics / neuroleptics are important and extremely much more useful than anything else in serving the primary purpose of bringing down and suppress all the hardly controllable and involuntary symptoms of the mental disorders such as violent emotional outbursts, purposeless abrupt traumatic reactions, various phobia behaviours, miscellaneous involuntary and uncontrollable deep hallucinations / delusions etc. This is the case especially and particularly when no other interpersonal efforts from other persons could achieve such a purpose. 

However, when it comes to genuinely treating the mentally-ill people so as to enable their mental conditions and cognitive sanities to get practically and realistically better and better in a permanently sustainable manner from time to time as well as to let them feel more and more confident about themselves, that would be another different story. This is due to the very undisputed fact that all the antipsychotics / neuroleptics and any medications for mental disorders, well, no matter how advanced they are, there is simply no way for such medications to deliver any of the actual healing effects that are equivalent to the interpersonal counseling therapies / emotional supports from the close ones etc, that the mentally-ill people need for further genuine improvements of their mental conditions (so as to enable them so slowly and gradually regain their actual sanities and cognitive / mental abilities from time to time) and their final recoveries in the end. This is mainly due to the fact that when it comes to mental illnesses, no medications would be able to permanently, irreversibly, and particularly, realistically and practically change the mentally psychological, rather than the bodily / metabolism-related physiological aspects of what and how the mentally-ill people would perceive, feel, think about their surroundings, environments and the people they deal with, as well as their resultant actions, reactions, behaviours based on their respective subsequent outcomes of those 3 key factors. Whilst normally, such medications for mental illnesses, with their artificial neurological effects, would merely just serve the purpose of temporarily and mechanically numb the cognitive senses of their users so as to artificially make them "unable to feel and think about anything at all" throughout the effective period of each dosage of such medications. And as such, medications for mental disorders alone would thus not be able to realistically, practically and genuinely enable to get the mentally-ill people totally cured in the end. Hence, other non-medicational efforts as mentioned, explained and elaborated in detail in my prior posts above are thus required and indispensably necessary to enable the mentally-ill people to achieve the realistic, genuine and practical long-term real improvements for their mental conditions and sanities gradually step-by-step towards the path of full recoveries. 

All in all, such constructive non-medicational impersonal and (or) interpersonal efforts and emotional supports are very much important in reinforcing and strengthening the confidences, self-wills, determinations and sanities of the mentally-ill people in helping them to recover from their mental illnesses gradually, realistically and sustainably step-by-step.

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My Experiences of Getting Totally Cured Once and For All Fro

by ntuc » Thu Sep 09, 2010 11:43 am

My Experiences of Getting Totally Cured Once and For All From Mental Disorders & The Related Neuromuscular Tardive Dyskinesia Side Effects of The Related Medications 

Included below are the genuine articles about my experiences of getting totally cured once and for all from both of the mental disorders & the related neuromuscular Tardive Dyskinesia side effects of The related medications. Next I hope that the information given will be helpful and useful to the intended readers. Thank you. 

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1112472#i (Eyecare / Hemifacial Spasm : Medication-induced Non-stop Persistent Eyelid-twitching - How I Eventually Get It Totally Cured By Acupuncture & Other Medical Details)

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1233341#i (A New Version For The Self-administered, Needle-free, Free-Of-Charge, Painless & Harmless Acupuncture Cure For Non-stop Persistent Rapid Eyelid-twitching / Eye-blinking)

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1386471#i (The Story Behind The Suggested Self-administered, Free-of-charge, Needle-free, Painless, Harmless Acupuncture Method /Technique For Abnormally Rapid Eyelid-twitching / Eye-blinking Described Above)

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Dopamine & Mental Disorders

by ntuc » Mon Sep 20, 2010 1:40 pm

Dopamine & Mental Disorders

Dopamine is actually one of the main neurotransmitters chemicals secreted and released by the countless of neurons (nerve cells) and brain cells of our miscellaneous bodily nervous systems and brains. Whilst the other main neurotransmitters chemicals would be Serotonin which plays the important role in "determining" how we feel based on whatever we see / perceive. 

And well, the main function of the fluidly neurotransmitters chemical dopamine, which exist everywhere and anywhere in our human bodies and within the miscellaneous nervous systems, and "work" closely, mechanically and spontaneously with one another, is actually to control and co-ordinate our human bodily movements through their synaptic activities. 

Basically, the synaptic activities is all about sending and receiving the various nerve and sensory impulses (originating from our sensory perceptions, feelings and thoughts) to the brains along the miscellaneous bodily nervous systems so that all the human bodily movements can be conducted freely at will by any normal human beings. 

Nevertheless, the synaptic activities of the neurotransmitters chemical dopamine, in certain cases, can be interrupted and disrupted by the artificial curative mechanisms of certain medications, especially the mind-altering drugs such as antipsychotics / neuroleptics that serve to numb the cognitive senses of the brains by preventing the "neuro-traffics" of such nerve and sensory impulses from getting sent to / from the brains, resulting thus in miscellaneous neurological and neuromuscular disorders which are caused by interruptions to the synaptic activities of the neurotransmitters chemical, dopamine. 

As such, please consider the excerpts below:

"All antipsychotic drugs tend to block D2 receptors in the dopamine pathways of the brain. This means that dopamine released in these pathways has less effect. Excess release of dopamine in the mesolimbic pathway has been linked to psychotic experiences. It is the blockade of dopamine receptors in this pathway that is thought to control psychotic experiences"

 

which are quoted from : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antipsychotics

In such a connection, the neurological and neuromuscular disorders caused by interruptions to the neurotransmitters chemical dopamine would be especially the movement disorders of Extrapyramidal Symptoms (EPS), Tardive Dyskinesia, Dystonia, Neuroleptic Malignant Syndrome (NMS), Parkinsonism etc. 

Hence, please consider the excerpts below:

 

"Dyskinesias are movement disorders and can include any of a number of repetitive, involuntary, and purposeless body or facial movements. 
They can include:

Tongue movements, such as "tongue thrusts" or "fly-catching" movements 
Lip smacking 
Finger movements 
Eye blinking 
Movements of the arms or legs.
 

An individual may or may not be aware of these movements. These movements are usually quite recognizable, and many people fear that others will know they are taking an antipsychotic medication due to these unusual movements.

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