Compounding is the 8th Wonder of the World said Einstein

Mohnish Pabrai Lecture at Peking University (Guanghua School of Mgmt) - Dec 22, 2017

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Mohnish Pabrai Presentation on Compounding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztvAxIjPRrM

CFI@ISB - Compounding is the 8th wonder of the world - Mr. Mohnis Pabrai

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt2TfdI0fFE&t=769s

 

1. Compound Interest can work for you or work against you.

If you want your money to work for you in your future, I would recommend you to listen carefully to what Mohnish Pabrai says about the compound interest, which Einstein called is the 8th wonder of the world.

If you can fully internalize what he said and apply it for yourselves, it will benefit you in your life.

         It is vitally important to understand the concept of Compound Interest. Compounding can work for you or work against you. If you owe people money, like credit cards, student loan, personal loan, payday loan, high mortgages, etc it will work equally against you. So, "getting rid of debts first" is of utmost priority. It is equally important to better yourself so that you have the skills to earn money first. That is the correct direction. But whenever you want a diversion from your study, spend a little time understanding about compound interest and money matters [financial accounting].
        Mohnish Pabrai gave examples of the cost of compounding when one spends money to buy a Tesla car or even to drink Starbuck coffee or wine everyday. This is investing in depreciating assets, where the compounding will work against you. To avoid debt he said that there should be a life style change.

2. Power of Compounding 

        Most of us do not understand what the power of compounding means to us. Initially the compounding does not appear to be very significant. But the exponential growth of compounding comes at the later years and when the rate of return is also high. The real magic of compounding kicks in then. For example, with a $1,000 investment on a 10% return over 63 years will only grow to $405,265/, but with a 20% return, the investment will grow to a staggering $97,368,505/.

        I have worked out what is the power of Compounding below:

        In the annual report of 1998, Warren Buffett stated the following:

         Over the 63 years, the general market delivered just under a 10% annual return including dividends. That means $1000 would have grown to $405,000 if all income had been reinvested. A 20 % rate of return, however, would have produced $97 million. That strikes us as statistically-significant differential that might, conceivably, arouse one’s curiosity. (The Essay of Warren Buffett,3rd Edition, selected and arranged by Lawrence A Cunningham, pg 92).

         I was curious and worked out the compound interest and found it to be accurate. Most of us just can’t imagine this power of compounding!

         Compound Interest,   FV = PV (1+i)^n   where

           FV = Future Value, PV = $1,000/ (say), i = Rate of return, n = Years

n

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 i

5%

7%

8%

10%

15%

20%

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 years

 

$1,276

$1,403

$1,469

$1,611

$2,011

$2,488

10

 

1,629

1,967

2,159

2,594

4,046

6,192

15

 

2,079

2,759

3,172

4,177

8,137

15,407

20

 

2,653

3,870

4,661

6,727

16,367

38,338

25

 

3,386

5,427

6,848

10,835

32,919

95,396

30

 

4,322

7,612

10,063

17,449

66,212

237,376

40

 

$7,040

 

 

$45,259

 $ 267,864

$1,469,772

50

 

$11,467

 

 

$117,391

 $ 1,083,657

$9,100,438

63

 

 

 

 

$405,265

 $ 6,667,514

$97,368,505

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


Charlie Munger states the following:

”Understanding both the power of compound return and the difficulty of getting it is the heart and soul of understanding a lot of things.”

The success of sit on your ass investing is driven by a company’s ability to successfully compound shareholder equity at an attractive rate over the long-term --- if this isn’t possible, the strategy won’t work and it’s easier to buy low and sell high.

“Over the long term, it's hard for a stock to earn a much better return than the business which underlies it earns. If the business earns 6% on capital over 40 years and you hold it for that 40 years, you're not going to make much different than a 6% return­--even if you originally buy it at a huge discount. Conversely, if a business earns 18% on capital over 20 or 30 years, even if you pay an expensive looking price, you'll end up with a fine result.”

                        

3. The Rule of 72
        

If you want to be able to do a rough compound interest problem in your head, use the rule of 72. The "Rule of 72" is a simplified way to determine how long an investment will take to double, given a fixed annual rate of interest. It is a very useful skill to have because it gives you a lightning fast benchmark to determine how good (or not so good) a potential investment is likely to be.

 

The formula is:

Y   =   72 / r   and   r   =   72 / Y

where Y and r are the years and interest rate, respectively.

The rule says that to find the number of years required to double your money at a given interest rate, you just divide 72 by the interest rate.

For example, if you want to know how long it will take to double your money at 10%, divide 72 by 10 and you get roughly 7 years. OR if you want to know the percentage of interest you need to get to double your money in 5 years, divide 72 by 5 and get roughly 15%.

The "rule" is remarkably accurate, as long as the interest rate is less than about twenty percent; at higher rates the error starts to become significant.

The rule of 72 states that $1 invested at 10% would take 7.2 years ((72/10) = 7.2) to turn into $2. In reality, a 10% investment will take 7.3 years to double ((1.10^7.3 = 2).

When dealing with low rates of return, the Rule of 72 is fairly accurate. This chart compares the numbers given by the rule of 72 and the actual number of years it takes an investment to double.

Rate of Return

Rule of 72

Actual # of Years

Difference(#) of Years

2%

36.0

35

1.0

3%

24.0

23.45

0.6

5%

14.4

14.21

0.2

7%

10.3

10.24

0.0

9%

8.0

8.04

0.0

12%

6.0

6.12

0.1

25%

2.9

3.11

0.2

50%

1.4

1.71

0.3

72%

1.0

1.28

0.3

100%

0.7

1

0.3

    https://www.investopedia.com/ask/answers/what-is-the-rule-72/

Notice that, although it gives a quick rough estimate, the rule of 72 gets less precise as rates of return become higher. 

  

4. Doubling time 

        

        Doubling time is the amount of time it takes for a given quantity to double in size or value at a constant growth rate.

 

         The formula is y^x means to multiply y by itself x times.

This formula is very useful to remember and apply.

 
         2^1 = 2x1 = 2
         2^2 = 2x2 = 4
         2^3 = 2x2x2 = 8
         2^4 = 2x2x2x2 = 16
         2^5 = 2x2x2x2x2 = 32
         2^6 = 2x2x2x2x2x2 = 64
         2^7 = 2x2x2x2x2x2x2 = 128
         2^8 = 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 = 256
         2^9 = 2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 = 512
         2^10 =2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2x2 =1024 = 1000 [say for easy to remember]
                

        For example, if you start with an investment of $1,000/, and if you want to grow your investment to $1,000,000/, you will need 10 periods of x% rate of return.
        At 10% rate of return, by using the rule of 72 you need roughly 7 years [72/10 = 7.2]. And 10 periods of 7 years is 70 years [10 x 7 years = 70 years].
        At 12% rate of return, by using the rule of 72 you need roughly 6 years [72/12 = 6.0]. And 10 periods of 6 years is 60 years [10 x 6 years = 60 years].
        At 15% rate of return, by using the rule of 72 you need roughly 5 years [72/15 = 4.8]. And 10 periods of 5 years is 50 years [10 x 5 years = 50 years].
        At 20% rate of return, by using the rule of 72 you need roughly 4 years [72/20 = 3.6]. And 10 periods of 4 years is 40 years [10 x 4 years = 40 years].
        At 26% rate of return, by using the rule of 72 you need roughly 3 years [72/26 = 2.8]. And 10 periods of 3 years is 30 years [10 x 3 years = 30 years].
        At 36% rate of return, by using the rule of 72 you need roughly 2 years [72/36 = 2.0]. And 10 periods of 2 years is 20 years [10 x 2 years = 20 years].

5. Buying Shares---Basic Principles to Remember

        You should try "getting rid of debts first"---as quickly as you possibly can. Once you have some savings, then you should look at how to make the GOOD companies [companies that give a high sustainable rate of return] work for you by investing in them when their prices have come down significantly. This great discount can come about once every 9 to 12 years. “In the forty-seven years that Warren Buffett has run Berkshire Hathaway, the company’s stock has fallen roughly 40 percent to 50 percent at four different times. We will identify three of those episodes---1973–1974 [Arab oil embargo], 1987–1988 [financial crisis], and 2007–2008 [sub-prime crisis]---and move on to the other perpetrator, the Internet bubble [2000-2001].” (p. 204, Tap Dancing to Work)
        Warren Buffett and Charlie Munger said, “Buy great companies at a fair price rather than fair companies at a great price” [big discount]. See my article
Buying Shares---Basic Principles to Remember. Remember if you do not START to do your home-work and understand what businesses you are investing in, you will definitely lose your hard earned money. A sure way to gamble your money away is to buy shares without doing your homework.
        Understanding investing takes a great due of effort and time but you have to start sometime and the earlier you know the subject the better it is for you.

 

6. Find a few outstanding companies, buy them, and hold them forever

         Ultimately, if you have the opportunity to find one or two outstanding companies with a sustainable rate of return of some 20% or more, buy them big and hold them forever. Don’t ever sell them.

         Basically, you make few investment, very big investment, infrequent investment, and you make investment when the investment is in your favor.

 

 

7. Credit Cards Debt

        Do you know how much the credit card charges you in Singapore? The credit card charges interest on a daily basis and compounded. It also charges for late payment, minimum payment charges, annual card fees and overseas transaction fees. All these charges come to a fantastic and scary charge of between 26 to 28% per annum. (see https://www.valuepenguin.sg/6-hidden-credit-card-fees-singapore-you-should-be-aware) Here is how compound interest works against you!!! So, pay in full your monthly credit card bill. Remember, always to get rid of your credit card debt first.

 

8. Buying Shares without using a Calculator

        According to Mohnish Pabrai by the time Warren Buffett was 11 years old, he understood about Compound Interest. He uses the Rule of 72 and the Doubling Time Rule to invest. Thus he does not have to use a calculator to invest. He can do the Maths mentally. We can do the same.

        

        No. of years to double investment  = No. of period to double multiply by amount invested

 

         For example, if the investment is $500,000/ and the rate of return is 15%, then:

         72/15 = about 5 years [one period]. So,

         In 5 years [one period], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $1,000,000/ [2^1 = 2 x $500,000/]

         In 10 years [2 periods], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $2,000,000/ [2^2 = 4 x $500,000/]

         In 15 years [3 periods], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $4,000,000/  [2^3 = 8 x $500,000/]

          

         If the investment is $500,000/ and the rate of return is 12%, then:

         72/12 = 6 years [one period]. So,

         In 6 years [one period], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $1,000,000/ [2^1 = 2 x $500,000/]

         In 12 years [2 periods], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $2,000,000/ [2^2 = 4 x $500,000/]

         In 18 years [3 periods], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $4,000,000/ [2^3 = 8 x $500,000/]

 

        If the investment is $500,000/ and the rate of return is 8%, then:

         72/8 = 9 years [one period]. So,

         In 9 years [one period], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $1,000,000/ [2^1 = 2 x $500,000/]

         In 18 years [2 periods], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $2,000,000/ [2^2 = 4 x $500,000/]

         In 27 years [3 periods], the $500,000/ amount invested will become $4,000,000/ [2^3 = 8 x $500,000/]

 

        When Warren Buffett was 50 plus years old, he leant from Charlie Mumger that it is far superior to buy a wonderful company [that gives wonderful return] at a fair price than to buy a fair company [that gives mediocre return] at a wonder price [great discount]. Most of the $84 billion Warren makes comes from investing in 10 to 15 wonderful companies and holding them for a long, long time!!!